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Why don’t you go get a job?

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The most harrowing aspect of my childhood trips to India — other than learning how to squat on the “Indian-style” toilets in my grandfather’s Old Delhi compound — was coming face to face with poverty. Riding around Delhi in the backseat of my uncle’s Fiat, I would dread long stops at the crowded traffic lights, turning my face the other way and pretending not to hear the rap-tap-tap on the window or see the glistening brown eyes of that little girl with her hand outstretched. The adults never seemed to notice much, and the few persistent beggars that managed to incite a response would hear the familiar admonishing refrain of “chall. hatt yahan se. kuch kaam kyun nahi karta?” There’s little sympathy for beggars in a family of hard-nosed baniyas who have toiled for generations to amass the wealth they enjoy today. It is difficult for them to understand why beggars don’t get off the streets and find steady work instead. From our perspective, beggars seem like misguided, lazy people who haven’t tried hard enough to make something of themselves. Science would, however, suggest otherwise.

Neuroscience research conducted on children who have been raised in poverty has shown that the stress of a poor childhood has permanent affects on the brain. More specifically, scientists are learning that the working memories of poorer children, especially those brought up in dense urban populations, have smaller capacities than those of their middle- and upper-class counterparts. What this means is that these children will have a harder time remembering things like long numbers or names of state capitals in school, be less equipped to “mug up” for the brutal exams and, as a result, fair poorer in job interviews, even if they are able to actually go to school and get job interviews in the first place.

The implications are obvious — there are explanations beyond laziness for why the poor stay poor for generations. It’s perhaps not fair to blame them for their plight. So, next time you tell a young begger to go get a job, give him a rupee or two along with your advice to take the edge off the stress and make it a little more likely that the kid will have a chance to leave the slums.

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368 Responses to “Why don’t you go get a job?”

Hi Prerna,

Your article is as usual impressive……… apparently, but sorry to say that you don’t use your analytical skills……………as usual.
Okay, ask those scientists one question on behalf of me.
My question is, What about doing simple labour work, like maid servants, washing cars, and plenty of such other works which doesn’t require any special learning ability, (here I am assuming that you are talking about normal person, and not a mentally challenged one).
I am dead against of giving money to beggars, 99.99 %(my estimate) beggars are really lazy people, and rest 0.01% are really helpless aged or terribly handicapped people who require basic necessities like food, cloths and shelter (NOT MONEY), which we should provide them according to our capacity.
Being poor is not a crime, but begging is definitely a crime, which we should not encourage.
So, next time you come across any beggar, before giving him a rupee or two ask him to do simple work like clean your car or carry your luggage and help them to be a respectable labours than…………….beggars.
And don’t forget to ask my question to neuroscientists.

Regards
Rahul

sudheer Wrote:

Hi prerna…

Thanks for bringing up this very interesting article to my notice..
You are spot on, on your analysis of the implications of poverty on childhood…but I beg to differ on your suggested mode of approach to this complex problem.
I do understand that no child takes to begging as a choice and its not something they do out of their laziness..having said that, how far is it reasonable to positively reinforce this behaviour by rewarding them? By rewarding them the money, you are doing nothing but encouraging these kids to go on doing the same the rest of their lives…

If you were so concerned about your role in the kids’ upliftment, please let me make a friendly suggestion… everytime, a beggar asks you for money, ignore him, dont encourage him, but contribute whatever you wanted to give to him to a fund that you manage all by yourself.. it might be one rupee or a ten rupee..use that fund to finance the vocational training of one of these kids when you amass sufficient magnitude.. Iam not talking about conventional education, which would not guarentee a livelihood even after 15 years of education but plain old fashioned vocational training which would provide livelihood to a family in a matter of months to years..

when one thinks about it, the number of these beggars is far less than the concerned population…why not we uplift our society rather than washing off the guilt off us??

@Rahul – you’re right in saying that it is probably better to give beggars work than just give them money, but for most people giving a beggar work would be more difficult than just giving them a couple of rupees. do you have an extra job to give a beggar? forget about giving a beggar a buck, as this was just an example. my point is that i think we take too harsh an attitude towards the poor. do you really think 99% of people would choose starvation over work, bc they’re lazy? i find this hard to believe. people tend to get lazy when they have enough. starvation is generally pretty motivating. i think we take this hard-nosed attitude to justify our inaction. “the beggar is lazy so he doesn’t deserve my help”

p.s. and who says begging is not a job? it’s an opportunity to make money after all, and requires long hours of dedication. it seems like pretty tough and miserable work to me.

@ prerna

NO, I don’t have an extra job to give a beggar, and it’s not MY duty to give them jobs.
It’s their duty to seek a job, and I don’t think that we ( I ) take too harsh an attitude towards the poor, here you are confused between POOR and BEGGAR.
Poor : Having little money or few possessions.
Beggar : A pauper who lives by begging.
I hope now you don’t mix up between poor and beggar.
No, I do think that 99 % of Beggars choose begging over work, because they are lazy.
I don’t see from any angle, it’s OUR inaction, so question of justification doesn’t arise.
On the contrary it’s beggars inaction which makes them beggars.

p.s. and prerna if you really think that begging is a job and it’s an opportunity to make money after all, and requires long hours of dedication, then why don’t you try this “job” of begging rather than running this site?
Accept this challenge of doing this pretty tough and miserable work of begging, for your livelihood.

Regards
Rahul

Hi Prerna & Rahul,

Begging is a much more complex stuff than we usually think..

I’ve met with some real incidents about beggars..

A few months ago me and my online frnd from Mumbai were talking about a similar issue.. Her

apartment is just a few meters away from a slum from which beggars start their work as early

as 8 am. they beg in the traffic signal near by.. A few weeks before we spoke about this a

begger came to my frnd and she ignored him as usual, he pleaded her but still she didn’t give

him anything and few days after that a women from the neibourhood’s gold chain was snatched by two men and she was stabbed on her back.. After the police investigation it was found that one of the criminals was the same beggar she had met the other day..

I visit a temple near my house in Bangalore every thursday, once a lady beggar sitting next to

the temple and was accepting a few Rs.100’s from a few auto drivers and giving a few to others. I took the initiative to ask the driver about it and he said the women sends some 20-30 beggars all around the city and gives loan to us to pay the day’s rent for the rickshaw..

Well begging might not be a crime but it’s not the only way they try to make money..

Regards,
Vikram

Shridhevi.Iyer Wrote:

This is the first time I came across your article, and truly baffled by your thought process…Being a woman I would never agree to your idea…

A rupee or two or an advice is that all that is necessary to show a path to their lives??!! …
Seems to be an antisocial message…

I am ready to accept cheque’s everyday seems to be an easier life but not a worthed
one to live…!! An individual who has the aspiration to prove oneself will never BEG but will learn by hook or crook and deliver by proving whatever he or she can do!!
People can be rich or poor…but that doesn’t mean they are worthless.

I completely disagree the manner in which the interviews are conducted today. There is more weightage given to the past performance and everyone changes over a period of time depending on the socio economic & personal environments they are currently put in.. This Collage of Limited Perception needs to be thrown away by individuals who are in the interview panel.

Being a Science Student all I can deduce is that the neuroscientists probably have analyzed the right symptoms but subscribed the wrong medications. All this is boiling down to right now is neuroscientist’s mug up everything but they can’t think out of the box to resolve problems. These kind of individuals are good @ pulling other people down and we have bred a mammoth of them….

I agree with Rahul that we don’t have to give JOBS to them and they have to search..
Also, Prerna taking into account of being a girl and feeling empathetic about the situation
you can probably check different organizations that would motivate and realize their potentialities i.e only if you are willing to uplift a particular strata of the society by rebuilding their confidence that every individual has the to be a part of this undivided society.

There are so many sectors today in India which require Specialized services like Craftsmanship which doesn’t need books except creativity and every individual is creative and Beggars surely are cuz they are the best masters to lure people in getting the money out of everyone’s pocket…now what makes u think they are not inferior ??

Well I was bogged down by something today and you made my day on how not to think in these lines.. I owe you my thanks!!

My comments for your article is : It is a good attempt but not the right one! I hope you won’t lose hope and continue  ….

Shridhevi.Iyer Wrote:

I apologize there is a mistake in the above sentence…

now what makes u think they are not inferior ?

It actually is

now what makes u think they are inferior ?

sidharth Wrote:

@prerna
you need Neuroscience to tell you this??

@rahul
don’t stretch ur ‘analytical skills’ which is so exclusive as to not include the pangs of hunger…we can’t relate in that over simplistic manner…sanity is a very dangerous thing i think…use it don’t abuse it

Dear Prena ! how are you doing..?

It can not be denied, that poverty can have adverse effects on fragile minds of children..It is kind of easy to observe that children of beggars or else simply those born in poor families seem to have less intelligence, cleverness and confidence, as compared to normal healthy children. Effect of family, friends and especially parents, on your attitude and developing presonality is massive. Just like children born in educated families may never find it easy to adopt professions like begging. It can be hard for children of beggers to take a step towards adopting healthy n a bit educated style of living. It is hard to do what you have never seen your parents doing, from the very begining. It is possible for us to sit here n comment on poverty n begging in a decent, calm and patient way becuase fortunately, we were brought up in a good manner. Imao we could have different views otherwise.No matter how much we know, we can never be 100 percent sure what being poor is like.

There can be some views or thoughts we are born with, but the development of the rest, certainly may depend on conditions we are living under or on what we experience in our life time. We even may have different views during different phases or stages of our lives.
Intelligence is not a very common thing. Especially, as prena mentioned earlier, it also depends on under which conditions are we living. According to scientists, it increases with good and decreases under bad conditions.

We certainly have better abilities and skills than poor people. We also have more opportunities and better state of mind which certainly enhances our thinking abilities. We have more options. we can and we certainly should avoid giving money to beggars but then we should also take the responsibility to feed a few of them on daily basis by giving them little jobs as Rahul mentioned earlier.We can make so many of these jobs if we want to and if we really want to help. It isn’t that hard to do or is it? If we take a little money out of our pocket daily and spend it on such people it wouldn’t harm us as much as it will be advantageous for them. If we can sit here and worry about these problems of society we can also take a step towards doing something which is helpful in removing this curse from poor.

regards,
madeeha

Faiz Ahmed Wrote:

Dear Prerna

I am a reader of ur thoughts for long now,but cant disagree more with what u have said now. Those beggars ,well,they are RICH,yes u read it correct. Just try to find the black world of beggars,they can afford anything they want,but they dont coz it will kill thr BUSINESS.

regards

Faiz

sanjay kumar Wrote:

ok.
thats a good one……..

Deepshikha Agrawal Wrote:

1st of all, a v good and bold step frm ur side, all the best for that, i hope u get replies

many may not agree but what i also feel is that, 1st of all i never give money to any beggars, i know i am v rude in doing so, but in most cases as many of us may have seen is that even if we do give moni most of the time it doesnt do any good to these kids but rather it goes to thier owners or parents mostly fathers who then spend it for their drinks
also, with moviz like “traffic signal”, “slimdog millionaire”, though i am not saying that its the only reality, out of many its 1 side of what aktuly hapens, but still, so rather than giving them moni, its better we aktuli do smthn for the kids themselves so that it does some good to them, i know saying is much easier than doin smthn, but this is wht i fil, as young

ill effects of capitalism

Faiz Ahmed Wrote:

This pic altho seemingly appealinig,reminded me of something.the kid in the pic is perhaps “ON HIRE”.there are groups who supply tailor made companion for begging. limbless,with wounds,kid(looking in need of care),dumb,old; u name it and u can hire them. its a very very well orgaanised bunch of petty criminals. well sorry prerna, but what i said is TRUE.
best regards

Prerna Gupta Wrote:

@Faiz – yes i’m sure this is not uncommon, as was shown in SM. does anyone have a sense of exactly how common this is? what percentage of beggars are “organized labor”?

@everyone – don’t misunderstand me! i used the beggar simply as one example of the poor, to make the point that the circumstances of the poor affect their brains, making them less capable of improving their lot. my suggestion to give them a rupee or two also need not be taken so literally! i am just trying to get people to think about the poor in a more sophisticated way. it is not as simple as just calling them lazy and dismissing their plight…

Susmit Kumar Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

Interesting piece of writing. I am from Delhi, and I know exactly what you mean, when you say that from our perspective, beggars seem like misguided, lazy people who haven’t tried hard enough to make something of themselves. People have developed this mentality over the period. My own house is divided on this perspective. My dad always carries change in the car JUST in case he happens to come across a beggar, however, my mom is strictly against it as she thinks they are part of bigger organised crime syndicate.

And interestingly you have given some scientific explanations backing your writing which is good to see. But, must you use words like harrowing when you are addressing your and my home country and city? All I am saying is be kind to our city :)

Other than that, a well written and insightful piece and look forward to reading more like this one in the future. :) Will be following you on twitter from today onwards.

All the best! :)

sidharth Wrote:

i think we should give them money whenever we can…its impossible to imagine the lives or rather the death they lead…they don’t get a chance at anything cuz each day is a fight to fill their stomach…n some of u guys are talking about society principles n stuff like that…see simply put a beggar who thinks about the next meal can’t understand about whatever long term or ill effects n all whatever your holistic picture of a ’should be’ ‘must be’ society is.given a chance or not everyone will want to work hard, working hard isn’t something exclusive its the necessity of life not a burden…beggars aren’t different…don’t at least try to preach merits of hard work to them …beggars are born victims to a circumstance they don’t or rather any human would choose to be in…. so next time when you feel like helping a old beggar or a young one don’t deter…remember that one time help will not help him save the society or serve it but it will give it a better chance for the next meal…if our tax money can be used to support prisons where you know what kind of people live and yet you can’t do anything about it..also don’t stop urself help someone even if u get a single chance by doing a simple thing as giving them a 5 rupee coin, its the laziest thing you can do..don’t think about his future or bigger things like what will occur to society if this goes on…

Krishna Singh Wrote:

Absolutely 100 % True… Great point raised …

Kshama Nagaraja Wrote:

It’s also the reason why middle class stay middle class and the rich find it easy to attract abundance. The stress and loneliness of poverty can make situations seem like destiny. Most poor people don’t have the social structure or backing to create and leverage opportunities. In fact they may not even recognize opportunities. Also most poor people are easy to con because of their desperation and lack of social backing. So yes it’s not just laziness but many factors that play in poor being poor.

RAJVEER SINGH RATHORE Wrote:

Dear Prena
I dont know u but ur article is impressive and really there is plenty pf work to be done for this slums. I would like to suggest that institutions should send their students for the socio-economic study as well as the neurological aspects study of this slump.
Frankly speaking I get completely distress when I have to face a slump.

Aman Aggarwal Wrote:

Prerna… I also agree to what Deepshikha said.. Wherther people buy it or not, There exist the people who drive begging as a business & an industry making crores of rupees as black money.. We cant even imagine if that money is used to drive stock markets, corruption, smuggling or even terrorist activities.. It effects the common man in one way or the other.. Supporting beggars seems like encouraging crime…

Personally speaking, if I feel like helping someone, I give them food or clothes rather than money.. I believe that there will be only 10-20% of beggars who are genuinely needful.. But in order to save the rest, the least feasible way I find to make sure that I encourage them to work/protect them & other people being affected from this industry is by choosing not donate anything..

Shridhevi.Iyer Wrote:

Pangs of hunger can never be exchanged by teaching them philosophies on merits of hard work. That is the reason why we give them money and I too give them but not with a piece of advice. It is not a problem that can be resolved within a day or two and agree that there is plenty of work to be done in this front.

Also, what we need to make sure is they understand their potentialities and we acknowledge them by giving them an opportunity to survive in this society as an normal individual instead of just categorizing them as a BEGGAR or POOR.

@ Prerna
At least I don’t misunderstand you, because in the first place I don’t understand you.
You used the beggar simply as one example of the poor?
Dear Prerna, poor people have a self respect which beggars don’t have. Beggar is a altogether different category of lazy and spineless people. Sometimes even so called “Rich” people are also “Beggars” for example, rich people demanding dowry in the marriage of their son. For me they are nothing less than beggars.
Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, 11th President of India, was also “poor”, he started his career as a newspaper vendor to support his studies.
So, this example and many more like this dismiss your (or neuroscientists) finding that circumstances of the poor affect their brains, making them less capable of improving their lot.
On the contrary, I doubt your and those neuroscientists capability of brain, who believe such rubbish, that circumstances of the poor affect their brains and all.
Instead of trying to get people to think about the poor in a more sophisticated way, I suggest you to sit quietly and first make your concepts about poor and beggars clear, and then start writing.
Yeah, 99.99 % “beggars” ARE lazy and I dismiss their plight, if any.
No regrets.

Regards
Rahul

प्रेरणा जी , एक बहेद गंभीर मुददे को विषय बनाया है आपने । भारत जैसे देश में भिक्षावृति से निजात तभी पाया जा सकता है जब हम खुद से प्रयास करें । इस सामाजिक बुराई से लड़ने के बजाय हम इससे दूर भागते हैं । भीख मांगते बच्चे , औरतें और बूढ़ों को देख तरह आता है पर फिर भी कोई प्रयास इसनके उत्थान हेतु नहीं करते हैं । आपने सही ही लिखा कि लोग दुत्कार देते हैं ऐसे मलिन और गंदे बस्ती के लोगों को ।
देश में भीख मांगने वालों की संख्या तेजी से बढ़ती जा रही है । कई गिरोह ऐसे बच्चों और महिलाओं को दिहाड़ी मजदूरी देते हैं भीख मांगने के लिए । जो कि बेहद गंभीर विषय है । सरकार तो आंख बंद ही किये हुए है । गैरसरकारी संगठन भी कान में तेल डाल कर बैठा हुआ है । जीवन की प्रमुख अवश्यकताओं की यदि पूर्ति कर इन्हें पढ़ने लिखने का मौका दिया जाय तो बेशक ही ये बच्चे और लोग आगे आयेंगें ।
इस मुद्दे को आलेख का विषय बनाया अच्छा लगा । शुभकामनाएं

Dear Prerna,
Thanks for the interesting article. However I am also of the impression that beggars are lazy misguided people. Rahul is right in saying one should not give money to beggars. Many of the beggars belong to a racket wherein the majority of the begged money goes to the racket lords.
Once when I was travelling in a train from Kerala to Mumbai, a fellow passenger gave a banana or two to a beggar who happily accepted it. However a second beggar who came in the evening after about 7-8 hours of this incident refused to accept the bananas and was begging for money. The fellow passenger shoved him off.
Another reason why I hate beggars is that I have seen a guy doing PhD in electronics who is physically handicapped to such an extent he walks using hands instead of legs as his legs are thin perhaps due to polio. Such kind of persons are often seen on railway stations and trains begging. Also please watch this clip and see what a person can do if he/she wants to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNzBFnUAdo

I also missed one other thing. It is not that all people living in slums are poor. I know many families in Mumbai who were poor 20 years who lived in slums but now having a decent monthly family income of over 1 Lakh per month but yet living in slums. The reasons for doing so include evading tax and utilising civic supplies free of cost and earning sympathy from their relatives living in villages or other small towns. I specifically know of a family who shifted to a flat once they started facing problems getting good grooms for their daughter and their old parents died.

Sarcastic Reply Wrote:

> So, next time you tell a young begger to go get a job, give him a rupee or two along with your advice to take the edge off the stress and make it a little more likely that the kid will have a chance to leave the slums.

Great advice that I didn’t expect from a highly educated person like you!

One day while just walking in the market place in the heart of Delhi–it was raining and the people were sheltered in the huge colliders of Connaught Place–the place was bit crowded. I was along my wife–who has a habit to comment on the people around, rather than enjoying the romantic weather–looking for a latest mobile for her. The place was much filled with the balloon sellers, ice-cream sellers, madhubani painting sellers, etc. My wife wished to buy a painting for the living room and I asked one of the lady venders to show some of the paintings. We liked one and when the cost was asked for I requested my wife to drop the idea. My wife indulged in bargain. I was called by Ramesh–my friend–he walked unto me and got into argument with the vender. He bought the painting at a throwaway cost. I was zapped on the deal and a small boy shook me from the surprisal. It was a little beggar and I sat down holding his hand and asked him if he will work at my place for two meals a day and Rs. 1500 at the end of the month. The answer was negative and Ramesh told me that they earn about Rs. 5000 to 6000 per month–much more than a hard labourer’s earning in a month–and don’t have any liability, which will arrest him while he will work at my place.
This is the state of the beggars in every country and you have your point that the lesser are not able to achieve the positive in life. There are many real time examples of people rising to the respectable positions even after coming from very poor families. Here I am not contradicting your theory but I really know a person who audits my accounts, but I want to state that these beggars have got to the habit of easy money rather than hard earned money with honour. On Saturday move to any red light in the capital and the small children, young male and female have the Shanidev (God of ill-luck) idol and without any word just push the same in front and the fanatic, fearing people, who try to empty their pockets to please the Shanidev—who happens to be friend of the mum beggar, helping him/her to earn money.
I don’t want to comment on the theory but the facts are different and begging is a habit rather than evil of lesser advantaged.
Arman

@ prerna : I agree with psychological aspect of giving money and giving advice. However, it may also not 100% work. But thing is out of 100, there is a chance of making them think and change themselves. He may now, may get enough money for that day or so, and some more money left to invest on something he or she may knew how to make money (by observing) to live decently forever. My point is, giving money without an advice might be waste, but giving money and giving advice might help that poor to think and lead normal life later days. 1% of each from us may end 100% one
day.

@ALL, most of us who wrote here and having accessing internet are blessed with enough money and we are lucky, that our parents made us to earn ourselves by giving eduction, bearing us when we are jobless for sometime.. friends help us, relatives help us. But many other’s might not have this basic’s as well. Hence, they start begging, not knowing what to do for money and food.

@ intelligence thing, I have observed people from rich family are more intelligent than poor family ( I mean percentage, not everyone). Because, they get good education in a big colleges, everything ready made available. They go places, watch movies, TV, everything they get easily and dare enough to try new things. Many poor struck only earning little money for living, they cant think beyond that. You may observe ppl near to you, waiter, cleaner, sweepers, clerks… it goes… on and on.

Few exceptional persons may made it big, because of their natural intelligence or chance, but it may not happen to every individual.

Conclusion, Giving money with advice can work or may not work. Anyways, it depends on individual thinking, if they want to give it or just ignore it (in both way there is no harm or big loss as they are not mandatory like hafta vasool) at the end, it’s just your choice, give or not give. No one force you.

sidharth Wrote:

@rahul…
i hate to say this bt ur such a blockhead YOU don’t recognize poverty also has a range from the poorest of poor to the marginally poor….shows how less you have evolved from ur theoretics as contrasted to real life experiences…
also the fact that a person’s circumstance and individual experiences mold or affect an individual’s faculties seems like alienable to you shows your willingness and ur ability to learn is zilch…
“improving their lot”?? u mean let them form an union or something n then work for its general well being ?? IF they would form an union that wuld only be to improve their chances of alms/charity….
Plus ur not sure whether you should be a bit generous to grant them their ‘right of plight’ i think if ur so without doubt then wy call it a plight at all? to YOU it shouldn’t be their plight rather for YOU it should be a making of their own destiny(which they don’t care about , they live to disgrace themselves by asking for charity or abhorrence from others)……i mean wy did u have to at all mention ‘regret’ u know u shouldn’t even care about others?? to you its not a matter of consideration rather a matter of shoving and pushing your ‘oh -so-brainy’ ideas over others..to you its YOU and only YOU so YOU shuld dump YOUR precious theories unto YOURSELF..never mind sharing them cuz they are so precious…

Prerna,

First of all I appreciate your kind heart and a thought of helping people. Also I Cannt agree with what you are saying. The problem is complex than we can explain in couple of sentence of paragraph. Some I could think of are, (1) Giving money is not a solution, if you are concerned about people why dont you give them food. Do they accept, not many would. I experienced it. Especially the younger people need money rather food. Thats

2) Most of the beggers belong to a hierechy of people.
3) people loan the babies for a day and get money. And these babies are used by beggers.
….. and lot more….
As rahul pointed out clearly you dont need a memory capacity to get job, all you need is a little pride and determination to live a decent life. You cannt say u are not getting job in India. There are tons of them. All you need is determination. No job isbad. If you take the history people create big names to the job . No job created a big personaitly.

People give money to beggers are abetting the criminals. There are tons of organisations which are helping people to become skilled. I know a lot of them in chennai and udavum karangal is one example. if you are concerned and dont have a job to offer. Go and take some volunter work. If you dont have time, spend a weekend in visiting a organisation and give money to them if you feel they are good in providing good things to people who are in need. Giving money to people create criminals who want to make easy money thro these beggers. Educated people should use much caution in de dealing with these issues.

As for the research its a BS. You know a person from the slum went on to become a IIM graduate….. human capacity is limitless.. All you need is will and determination… and a fire in your heart to succeed. its very sad to see beggers in the land that has Swami Vivekanada .. if someone read atleast a part of his work, they know what to do with their life :-) .

Last but not least, appreciate you in writing about this.

Krishna Wrote:

The writer is just displaying a trait not very common these days (judging from some of the responses) – empathy. Perhaps the only thing less common these days is common sense. ;) To use some of the words above like “hate” and “lazy” as a generic label to slap on to anyone suffering abject poverty is ignorance. We are talking about people who are struggling for survival on a day to day, hour to hour basis. Are they possibly part of organized rings? Sure. They probably are exploited every which way and perhaps even continue that cycle. But it is difficult to sit here comfortably and type into a computer logged in to the internet, and pretend to know exactly what kind of effect that level of poverty would have on a person’s mind and psyche. But I think devastating is a pretty good guess. Even when they eventually claw their way into passably subhuman existence (the slums), and can begin to be connected with the rest of humanity on a somewhat normal basis, it is difficult for people to lose the insecurity that came with the levels of poverty they experienced in the past. Kshama (one of the reply posters above) made some pretty good points. Neeshoo also. There are many factors to persistent poverty. Charity is like the cure – important but to me it doesn’t seem like a longterm solution. What we really need is forms of prevention – provide better livelihood in rural areas, stem migration to cities, better education, birth control. When the situation becomes a bit simpler with such steps at the root levels, effective law enforcement and low tolerance for perpetrators of criminal activities would probably help too – weed out the nasty crits who probably indulge in criminal behaviour anyway. Sounds easy but probably not. ;) I’m not a social scientist or economic wiz, but in my opinion, there may not be any one easy solution. What we CAN do right now is try to treat each other as human beings the best we can while being safe i.e. not being too naive.

Muhammed Anwar Wrote:

Deat Prerna ,

Great writing, But actually speaking & you will agree with me that , giving money to the beggar is just a temporary solution & indeed it is a damager. You may be aware that begging is one of the most profitting illegal industry in india which is also involved in Drug traficing, flesh trade etc. The beggars have accepted the fact that they can never come out of it coz out of millions commuting in a city every day even if thousands os them respond to the call of the beggar with money , he has earned his living & will never think of taking up a job to earn a respactable living, rather he will say to himself .” how good i am a beggar “,
If you ask me , eradicting begging is a ” Fard Kifaya” in arabic .. which means Communnal Obligation & we must make efforts to eradicate it rather than finding a Temporary solution which has indeed turned out to be a Permament business for many beggars .

Contrary to popular beliefs (mostly taken from Hindi films and novels) beggars in large cities are not individuals pushed into poverty by circumstances and bad luck. They are all part of an organised and centrally controlled syndicates. If they weren’t, you wouldn’t see the same bunch of beggers at specific and strategic spots like traffic junctions, temples, shopping streets etc.. It is not easy for anyone to start begging at a certain (lucrative) spot. These begging spots are allotted to individuals at a price by certain syndicates (controlled by an efficient network of local goons). This a very organised business, particularly in all large cities as well as all religious centres. There are ‘beggers’ in Mumbai and elsewhere who own properties worth crores (Some are even known to pay taxes) . This is a well known fact and many police officials admit this.

So, let us not be naive and dripping with sympathy for these parasites.

@ sidharth

I think you belong to the same category as prerna………confused person.
I hope you are talking about “Poor” and not “Beggar”, if you are not sure then go and find out the difference between the two. Show me a single line written by me here where I have shown disrespect to the “Poor”.
“improving their lot” is not MY statement, prerna wrote that to everyone. (pleas refer Prerna Gupta wrote, May 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm), so, I hereby redirect your question to prerna, I am not answerable to that, let her come and give explanation.
Dear sidharth, always read the complete statement and then comment.
My statement regarding “plight” was, “I dismiss their plight, if any”.
“if any” shows that “I am in doubt”.
My “no regrets” statement was in reference to beggars not others.(read my post again)
And who am I to shove or push my ‘oh -so-brainy’ ideas over others?
I am not fool to believe that everybody here is waiting to take my ideas with folded hands.
I believe everybody has his/her own brain to think and act (I don’t know about YOU)

Thanks and regards
Rahul

Hammad Maken Wrote:

hey prerna, h r ya

1st of all, v thanx 4 sendin me sum butful mailz…um strongly agreed wid rahul…he sed absolutly rite…itz bkum a profession 4 beggars…meanz, di ratio of beggarz iz inkreazin day ba day both in india n pakistan…n v shud get rid of doz beggarz

rahul sed “Your article is as usual impressive……… apparently, but sorry to say that you don’t use your analytical skills……………as usual.
Okay, ask those scientists one question on behalf of me.
My question is, What about doing simple labour work, like maid servants, washing cars, and plenty of such other works which doesn’t require any special learning ability, (here I am assuming that you are talking about normal person, and not a mentally challenged one).
I am dead against of giving money to beggars, 99.99 %(my estimate) beggars are really lazy people, and rest 0.01% are really helpless aged or terribly handicapped people who require basic necessities like food, cloths and shelter (NOT money), which we should provide them according to our capacity.
Being poor is not a crime, but begging is definitely a crime, which we should not encourage.
So, next time you come across any beggar, before giving him a rupee or two ask him to do simple work like clean your car or carry your luggage and help them to be a respectable labours than…………….beggars.
And don’t forget to ask my question to neuroscientists.”

i strongly agreed wid rahul

so prerna…ma question iz alzo dat…juz ask neuroscientistz n let us no abt deir ansa

Kamran Shahzad Wrote:

i like your article………………………………..

Sanjeev Rana Wrote:

Agreed But the giving money is also not the solution. It just like encouraging them to do what they are doing. Because obviously the money you are giving them will overshadow the advice you are giving them. The Biggest problem is, they don’t need your talk. What they need is the solution and the direction and the most important thing somebody, who could implement those things for them. Talking is always easy. But doing what they need is what could make you different from other.

Otherwise everyone is same, It just some showed their sympath and some showed scorn.

Sincerly
Sanjeev

Ashwin Shah Wrote:

well written

vinay sharma Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

U actually make my mind flush out from this lines. good job done keep it up and be in touch…

Take care
vinay sharma

DINESH SHETTY Wrote:

Hi,
I would like to ask how they end up in poverty.Some r born poor and others r made poorer.Some r doing this for their living and end up doing as business. In Mumbai in front of sterling cinema in VT a beggar was sitting with a towel I have been seeing him for three to four years Once when i was passing by his dead body was there and when the municipality fellow lifted the towel they found 98000.00 rupees app it came in newspaper.

dharm prakash Wrote:

better you change your thinking…look from different perspective….

Mohan Sowmya Wrote:

thanks……………….

Pankaj Jajodia Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
Thanks for the wonderful story.
take care bye

pradeep gupta Wrote:

Hi,
Beggary, if we look in to the history, we find is prevalent in Indian society since the time unknown. To the best of my knowledge it was started with Gurukul Parampara, when students used to stay with their teachers till the completion of their education and used to beg for the noble cause of ensuring society’s contribution to the education system. In early days it was not meant as the source of earnings. Toady the form of beggary has infact been distorted and lost its very soul. During the Upnayan Samskar (when cotton thread is worn by the a youth around his sholder and belly in a celebration), even princes used to beg from their praja ( subjects) giving an impression that the mightest kings and emperors also depended on the common mass. This was an attempt to make people feel important.
Unfortunately now India is publisized as the country of beggars and snake charmers among westners. I feel this is the sponsored conspiracy of West. Every one out of three foreigners take the photographs of these beggars, our poverty and all. This shows their mental sickness as if they come India to make us feel how miserable our lives are here.
In this blog you have raised an issue that a person who has spent his childhood in poverty and misery can not be brave, citing a recent research of medical science. This is not true. Look in to the histrory. Countless examples are there to prove it as biased. take the example of Joan of Arc. Oprah Winfrey, the greatest TV celeb of US was sexually humiliated by her own family friends and relatives, but see how bold and brave she is now! These are a few examples to quote.
What I want to say to the world community that it is one’s positive attitude towards life, which makes an individual successful and admirable.
Bye.
Pradeep kumar Gupta

rahul bhatia Wrote:

Yes it is pretty obvious, but we can do many things, but around us in this hectic life of job and other things, we are not so satisfied. we don’t even know, what we want. we are chasing after our dreams, and side by side after money, glamour etc. few people cant improve this world, we have to be united unless and untill we cant….

DEADMAN
(RAHUL BHATIA)

dasgupta Amitav Wrote:

Since you have understood the root cause of the problem, why do’nt you start distributing your wealth , among the beggars?

harish abraham Wrote:

Hello Prerna

Long time… I was wondering what happened. Well its good to read your blogs again.

Regards
Harish

dipjyoti gogoi Wrote:

nice thots so dat i cudnt deny 2 dis agree…….but stlll ur ryte buddy……..cheeerssssssssssssssssss…..!!

mohammad badran Wrote:

thank you for this adaptive message.

i think you are right.

madhu masand Wrote:

Appreciate you sensitivity!
Besides, I am perturbed about the inner poverty of the rich–expressed
on their face as envy,greed,discontent, hunger for power over other
humans, inabiltiy to enjoy life–they cannot hide the unfufilment of
their desires and ambitions and the purposelessness of their
existence.
regards,
Madhu

khalid waleed Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

good informative article, but i really do not believe that those children (beggars) have poor brains. I am not saying that a beggar will have a knowledge of the quality that was shown in Slum dog millionaire, but yes they are quite fast in catching things. They have knowledge of many things which might make any educated person astonish.

Regards.

khalid Bin waleed

Priya patel Wrote:

Hello,
I read your work, a good job!
but do u think there can be a solution of re-establishing beggar’s life style ?
I mean human civilization started from small group of people living together in an organized way, if that could happen again with the help of government and people may be beggar’s can start their life.
I want to do something for them and I realized so do you after reading your work.
Hopefully you will like my idea and make a organization to proceed it further.

Regards,
Priya.

vijay ram Wrote:

look this article dont seem to be true in case of tamilnadu because here students of poor background seem to score more marks in their board exams so think on this fact………………….. because of lack in facilities they seem to work hard
yours
vijay

Mahesh Varma Wrote:

Good writing!

allen johannes Wrote:

The compassion you see in others’ choices can move you profoundly today, inspiring you to be similarly selfless while tending to your own affairs. As you watch loved ones and colleagues sharing their resources with individuals in need and devoting their energy toward philanthropic pursuits, you may ask yourself how effective their actions can possibly be when suffering is such a widespread condition. But if you continue to observe their kindness today, you will likely discover that it not only makes a difference in the lives of select people, but also furthers the cause of humanitarianism as a whole. You will likely be guided toward opportunities to do good works today by watching those who are already involved.

The selfless acts of kindness and compassion performed by others can become the inspiration that moves us to take up the cause of charity. If we are diligent and serious in our observation of the small- and large-scale philanthropy we see unfolding around us, we can observe what garners positive results and what doesn’t, thereby refining our own humanitarian efforts. We are more prone to help people in need when we have both seen others’ bountiful endeavors met with success and have taken pleasure in watching the gratitude unfold of those lifted up into the light. We need never doubt that we, as individuals, can make a difference because we are following in the footsteps of a guiding light. You will likely be moved to act today as you observe people in the various areas of your life working to make the world a better place. [ from Daily Om]

anurag kumar Wrote:

HI MS.GUPTA,
ITS NICE STORY …………..
I LIKE IT ……

Amarendra kumar Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

Nice view on children how are beggars!!

Have you seen Slumdog Millionare?!!

If you haven’t … go and see what they do to make them beg…

If you are more interested on the same topic …can u do me a favor ..?

Pls find some orgnization who helps these kind of kids…get a list of those orgs.. and circulate it to all your friends, on twitter and me also..!!!

I think that is a better way to help rathar than encouraging them by giving them money. Once they and people behind making them beg knwo it doesn’t works, they would probably stop this and orgs may take care of the rest about the kids…

To me,… this ..seems to be the best idea…

r nuvees Wrote:

thanks

ananda gupta Wrote:

Very touchy article.

rajesh Sharma Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

You are absolutely right. I am with you on the subject.

But , why they do not come to home, I tried three instances and tried keeping with my kids but they run away in three to 4 days, I took risk of many things( which you shall understand).

But I realised that some thing else is to be done, which I have to still find, which is permanent and making them comfortable to them.

Any way we shall always try the methods , one day we may get a getter one to , MAKE A DIFFERENCE in lives around us.

Thanks and Rregards.

Rajesh..

Laks Kant Wrote:

Unless and until poor stop fucking and producing children these problems will persist :)

@Laks – yes over-population is of course the biggest problem in India. interestingly, studies have shown that the only reliable way to decrease fertility rates (i.e., get poor people to start using birth control / family planning) is to increase wealth. i.e., rich people have fewer kids. poor people have more kids. as poor people become wealthier, they have fewer kids.

nikhil choudhary Wrote:

this is crap…..

Anwar Dasurkar Wrote:

Great article Prerna ,

was a pleasant reading .

regards
Anwar

NAVEEN SHARMA Wrote:

Good One.
Keep it Up !

george pradhan Wrote:

Prerna dear,

at last some luminous lines from prerna

A. why did you have to insert baniya? yes they toil, but dont they crash insolvent and start again bravely? give us some on the caste system which will stay.
…. the brahmins are into leather biz………………..the lowest castes are shining w 99% tops……………….new socio-econ castes are emerging……………….

B. the subject of poverty apart, that of begging also has been researched and analysed thoroly. sequel to this of yours, say how enlightened countries are tackling this issue, succeedng / failing ???

Adarsh.v. Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

What a nice writeup!!!!, I am really impressed by your way of approach.

I think you should continue in this field!!!

u have a bright future

Thanks & Regards,

Adarsh.V

vineet rawat Wrote:

Good Thoughts !!
very impressing & tinkling those hardcore “NO” thoughts for these under priveledged

Niranjan Pant Wrote:

Good writing, although one should help beggers institutionally rather
than by giving pennies in alms. That way their exploitaion wd
increase, as the money goes to begging-mafia lords.

Vishwas Kunte Wrote:

dear prerna,
it is outcome of the uncontrolled population burst,,
and offcourse the resultant of sluggish economy, lack of political will or exploitation of situation by politicians,
but there are NGOs who are working to improve the things and catalyse the rehabilitations
some of us are dedicated workers, where as we try to work and try to help them
but most of them are working towards improving past and present and none of them ever plans and works for future
ie rationalisation of the population growth rate.
Now we dont need outsiders to tell us that india is growing faster than china, and that too when we can not afford,,

vishwas

Rajji Khanna Wrote:

great mail will be more carefull and there is so much to learn eevryday. have a nice day to u prena!

rgrds raajikhanna

Vivek Patel Wrote:

really nice article… keep working.

harshad sonawane Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I am really agree with your comments on poverty, slum children (Plz dont say slumdogs). I would like to focus on one of the most technical terms in case of neuroscience i.e. Hipnokinesis, well i will explain you what this term means:

Have you ever heard about the persons in the same family, under the guidance of same parents, have different natures. Most of the time we observe that one of the two brothers is very arrogant, hyperactive while other is hypoactive, introvert (totally oposite). What do you think the reason behind this?….Most of the people cant manupulate this so they assume this is God’s miracle. But today I would like to be a curtain raiser through this abysmal matter.

At the time of conception, feelings of a mother are transmitted to her newborn child. Well, it is also found that the marital relation between a husband and a wife plays an important role to decide their child’s destiny (specifically his/her nature). Generally, the physically or mentally handicapped children are the results of their mother’s mental situation at the time of conception as well as her child’s birth. For example, I came across two brothers, one of whom was mentally retarded however, the other was normal and even smarter in his studies. When i gone through this matter meticulously, i found that at the time of birth of one of the child (which is mentally retarded), there was some conflicts between his father and mother and they would have decided for an option of divorce.

Now, with this enough background, I would like to emphasise on the situation of slum children. They are not obviously the lazy ones, arrogant, with lack of enough intellectuals, criminals. But the root cause is their family background. Most of the time, the woman in the family has to struggle for her life against the rude, beast, husband. The cases of mental and physical torture are the common in their case. The woman (or we can say a mother) has to go through these torchures. Her feelings unintentionally transmitted to her child. As a result, the child become very arrogant, hyperactive, mentally retard, physically handicapped, and with lower intellectual levels. This is also same about the cases of children belonging rich families, due to the conflicts between husband and wife during conception or the birth of their child.

Kannan KK Wrote:

dear ms prerna,
thanks for your thought which has provoked me to write this below:

u must know that in india begging is an organised industry with a dada taking care of the “vasul” from the urchins. many of the children may be stolen from various palces and maimed for life to get pity from the passrby to get the rs1. you ask people to give. in tamail there is a saying, sure its there in all languages, ” please give alms to the deserving”. there are many registered charitable organisations to which one can give money, old good clothes utensils so that it can be channled to a proper purpose.

so in substance i dont agree that one shld give a rupee or any thing for that matter to street beggers.
kannan

rajeev ranjan Wrote:

hi Prerna,
As your name “Prerna” you always try to give “Prerna” to some one this is really nice and people will defenetely learnt when this type of “Prerna” received by Prerna.

Peddiraju Patnala Wrote:

Dear Prerana,

Basically a Forest Officer but nevertheless worked in rural development wings especially in poverty alleviation programs, I observed that poverty is a mental status. I have seen the down trodden who are reluctant to mend their ways. It is human tendency we don’t accept a change. That does not mean that the poor wants to continue as poor. The system has rendered them beggars. Befor every election the politician makes tall promisses that every comfort will reach them without any effort. After the election they throw some alms and keep them expecting till the next elections. You know some poor in some parts of the country will be always inviting the natural calamities to come upon them expecting the relief that will follow. So, the poor has to be given education to realize what is going to be a permanent solution for their misery.

dear prerna,
I do not subscribe to ur views as you without going deep enough inside the begging which is one of the most organised business thriving in indian cities. However if you really want to do something about it? The best you can do is to start with making a small group of young indians who are ready to spend some time at such crossings where beggar mafia is using women and children in this trade. I will be available for this cause . Regards
Ajay Vinayak

Dear Prerna Gupta,

That’s 100% true even some more,what can be done by a single honest man can hepl all of them except the Indian Govn,may be just small area he can provide if only has his won bisness,like schools,offernages,colleges not for the whole nation only possible by the Govn.I praise GOD that he’s at work.Amen

In christ,
sudha.

Priyam Chakraborty Wrote:

HI Prema
I always read your writings. These writings are good to read, that shows your skill is good in this.
Why don’t you go get a job? I want to add a little in this. I am not so good in English. from my experience begging is a hard working job and from beggars I had learned many things. Basically patience. That’s why today I can earn a little for my family.
You are right. They had lost their childhood.
Thanks for your observation.

Sajad Hussain Wrote:

“Never Believe wt the lines of ur hand predict abt ur future, coz
people who d’nt hve hands also hv a future… Just Believe in
urself”

aman deep Wrote:

hey prerna

really a nice article.

sumit wadhera Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

Really a gud one and will definetily try to follow in life ahead…thanks a lot……….

Harmandeep Singh Wrote:

Thank you very much Prerna ..

AL BUSHRA Wrote:

WELL SAID

IMRAN KHAN Wrote:

Does the article belongs to writer prerna…???If yes….its a very good one

Amit Patel Wrote:

I am sorry to say but i dont agree with your openion / research. Reason… there are communities in india who are more poor then those beggers… and more hardworking then anybody on this earth… In gujarat they refer these people as “mama” community

ashok kunju Wrote:

Hi prema,

It’s good thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keepit up……

Good Day! Prerna,

It was refreshing to see a completely new perspective in what you wrote below.

Inderjit Kashyap Wrote:

1. The other side of the coin ” My daughter once gave some rupees to a girl of around 10, when the car halted at a traffic light & the girl approached her with a pronounced limp suggesting that she was affected by polio & injury due to an accident. Fair enough till then, however as the car moved on after the light turned green, my daughter just looked back & found the girl walking normally like anyone else on the road. This changed her outlook towards such people & I too have found that those approaching you with a limp or even a bandage on the arn or head are ‘total’ fakes hence disregard their pleas. Yes, if there is an elderly or frail person or an actually crippled one including those with amputated legs or arms, I make it a point to help such people.”
2. What the psycoanalysis suggests would no doubt be true but encouragement only helps lead them that life only with no inclination to progress further in life. Given the chance & oppurtunity, these very children can improve, have personal experience of boys & girls from very poor families coming to a School where education is free alongwith free books too & approx 500 such children study in this school.Each one of them, after about 5 yrs do improve considerably & some are selected & paid for to go to Private Schools of repute too. This institution has been imparting knowledge now for over 10 yrs & is growing in proficiencty in helping the poor children improve their lives.
3. Therefore, it is felt that States can encourage such children to attend school & improve, as a National Policy & get them off the roads where they live miserable lives.
Maj Gen Inderjit Kashyap

AnilKumar Vijayan Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

I appreciate your considerate approach to child beggars, backed by
scientific research findings. Maybe these children should grow up and
look for jobs as manual labourers or maidservants because there is
more dignity in that than begging, because of the productivity factor.
At a time when the entire world is turning to automation people who
are willing to work with their hands are in short supply. These
includes car washers, porters, errand boys, launderers, grocers’
assistants, shoeshines, tree climbers, garbage collectors etc.

Organisations like CRY are doing a good job with the help of
compassionate people that is more than a coin or two, but such
organisations are too few.

Regards,

Anil Kumar Vijayan

Satish Marathe Wrote:

I agree Situation is equally bad for the Rural poor and their children There is an urgent need for a meaningful partbership between the Govt and the NGOs to empower our poorer sections of our Society ~ Satish Marathe

jayaprakash J Wrote:

definitely i will do ma…

Imran Mohammed Ismail Wrote:

Hi Prerna…
Thats really a great thought n advice!!!!!
Keep it up!!

Regards.
Imran.

John Devaraj Wrote:

Well done
John

mohandas T.P Wrote:

Beautiful indeed
expect more
Mohandas

bekzat bulishev Wrote:

yes may be! but if you leave it on the problem of generation, you’ll never stop that repetitions in genes. so just let one generation force themselves to learn and study(even being the last among his/her fellows), and next generation will experience absolutely different frome their parents’ life. i think it’s a problem of lifestyle, cause people are the most easily learned creatures, and they get used to anything during their life. hope struggling for better life can give a strengh i think!
and this is not a problem of Indian children and people who live in poverty, but the problem of all who found themselves in tough situation!
Dream big!

Jacob B Wrote:

Hello Prerna,

Actually I don’t think the research results are completely correct. I know a couple of bright kids who were able to complete their education and find job on merit.

I think the issue is of aspiration. When you are in a group where you don’t have a role model among yourself you have nothing to become of. Look at African-Americans. They too have the same dilemma. They do not have a world renowned scientist or well known person among them. But they have a lot of them in sports. Name the sports and you have them in there. Because of Obama, there are going to be many in politics in another 20 or 25 years.

I remember one time when P T Usha won 4 golds in Asiad. It made her a star, an icon everyone in India can connect. She came from a low income family.
And it created a trend all over India. We need icons, we need role models to aspire. Leander Paes and other tennis stars paved way to Sania Mirza. Could you imagine this if there were no one for her to look upon. When Leander and Mahesh made it to the world #1, it was natural that young people to make attempts to imitate them. Coming from an orthodox community to wear a mini skirt at an event where millions of people are watching was unthinkable. But she did it. Sania’s fame can make more girls aspire to reach for stars.

Mahatma Gandhi inspired Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King and thousands of others. Che was also inspirational to many leaders across the world.

But the fact that kids are influenced by their surroundings are undeniable. They adapt to it quickly. The difference is here kids try to run comparison, parallel among their pals. One of my teacher’s always used to tell me not to compare people who are not doing well as me but compare to people who are doing better than me. And the fact that their parents or none in the community has a role model. Most of this kids like movie starts or cricket stars and that is the limits of their aspirations.

Take US, you can see Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson. Tomorrow there can be many stars in India in cricketing and movie field because that is what they want to become. One will succeed and then it will become a trend.

One more thing I think is relevant here is the freebies. When you go hunting, will you be satisfied to kill a sick animal that cannot run? No. Nobody would want to. Because it does not gives you a challenge. The same thing holds true. The low income group does not have to struggle in school or college or for jobs. Because even if they scrape through the colleges and schools they can find a job in public offices. And this does not make them challenged and they don’t have to fight it. Where as if you look in the main stream it is the same with kids of high income homes. But the ones who fight through is middle class. And the fight makes them enough tough to excel and make some successful stories. And then one Abdul Kalam or Shashi Tharoor becomes an icon. Like a butterfly out of a cocoon, they makes a flight. As Dr. Kalam would describe with the “wings of fire”.

Regards,

B Jacob

M.K. Subramanian Wrote:

Hi Prerna
I do understand the neo-liberal sympathies of yours. But unfortunately in most cases, 9 out of 10 cases, it is misplaced. These poor kids for whom you sympathise will not be benefited in anyway by your gift of one rupee or two from you. They represent the visible face of the begging mafia. The money you giver to these children will invariably end up in the hands of goons and dons who will squander the same in a dharookhana or on bung and some other drugs. This may also go to some organised crime syndicate or some terror outfit. There is a much betterway. If and when I am confronted with such small kids begging on the roadside, what I do is I giove them some food items from my hamper and make them eat it in my presence. The food eaten can not be taken by way by the Dons.Yes, we always talk of action from the Individual But in this case the problem is so acute tghat it needs a serious effort from a Government that cares. BUt unfortunately we do not have either a Government and the loot mar set up that we have never cares about the underprivileged and poor.

MK. Subramanian

abhishek sharma Wrote:

good aapse prerna mili hai..

jai anth Wrote:

Hi ya ill do tat sure

m gopinath Wrote:

Dear Prerna!

the mail u send regarding the poverty existing made me to think and I will act as u ave told and also infleunce my friends to act in the way u have mentioned in the article.Thank-you! Keep writing about more versatile subjects_thought provoking.

catherine gatua Wrote:

Wow,
that was quite some insight. Never actually thought of it that way and yet it makes so much sense and answers so many questions concerning generations of street families etc.

Regards,
Cathy

javad janatifar Wrote:

hi perna;
your story impressed me much.but it is only a given instance out of thousands around the world.today,we observe the increasing number of childs struggling with poverty.some stay quasi-alive amidst the rest starving to death.
thanks for sharing your brilliant thoughts.i hope we see a world deviod of any horrible fact soon.
sincerly,javad

fatimah mazz Wrote:

hello prerna, i like the way you write ..it has sense …

Reza Nematolahi Wrote:

Hi Perna
Thanks for that excellent article. Won’t you mind if I translate it to Persian to share this with my compatriots?

I’m inclined to agree with Rahul whose comments are the very first here – teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.I would like to mention the case of a former beggar named Raman here in my hometown. Until the age of 16 he begged on the streets – the only thing he knew how to do, being born into poverty. A 30 year old businessman took him into his wing and gave him the small job of bringing tea, lunch and snacks to 20 stores in an area. That boy learnt a lot of skills along the way – 15 years later, he now owns a tea shop & has a small house!

Arun Agarwal Wrote:

Prerna,

This was a nice study and thanks a lot for sharing such an informative thought but please don’t defend the poverty and these hard realities with these medical or other obvious reasons.You are right STOP ADVISING PEOPLE……but also don’t encourage people to beg.As it’s a hard fact if resources are available by easy means who want’s to go harder way’s?What people who advice need’s to do is sit back and think what they have done for this situation.Here we are not talking about one beggar,We are talking about a bigger problem.
Have you ever been to Calcutta? I used to live there.Even a person who has done an MBA,I have seen them begging on roads.Let’s see a bigger picture and help people.What we need to do is not to give advices or begging tip’s but to help our society open new avenues for job’s and give oppurtunity to these people.
You are right they don’t need sympathy,They need chance.Everyone of us need’s one.Intelligence grows with oppurtunities and dies with situation’s.You are right they can’t remember long names maybe that’s because of a situation but give them an opportunity their next generation won’t.

Arun

Radha Krishnan Wrote:

i do not agree with this. there are so many welfare schemes for them. Of course there is a lot of swindling that goes on out there, yet why don’t these beggars turn up for any of the schemes

Dear Ms. Prerna,

Read your article with interest. It is really thought provoking. Here is my practical experience . In the Housing Society where I live, I am Hon treasurer . Watchmen who work in my Society are in my control. They are from the poorer strata of life. They are in fact a class above the begging class which you have described. They are in fact paid but very poorly. Often they come to me asking for money. Often , I do not deny them request and give them fairly good amount than you have mentioned – say Rs.20/- to Rs.30/- Telling them very clearly that if their request is for medicine or fto ward off thie hunger, that they need not treat this as loan. And they need noe return to me .

So they take this pretext, they use it for drinking,or for taking drugs say that they were unwell..

So what happned to my magnanimity for them ?
They borrowed and used it for drugging…. drinking and to beat their wife and children !!!!!!!!!!!!

How do I avoid ?????? To manage their family myself ?
No I thought I will not pay anything to them .
That is what happens to beggars also. !

By paying them small amounts of money, problem does not solve but problems increases. Psychologically, first he satisfies himself then looks at others. But these people satisfy them selves like this..

Have a solution ? should not we say ” Go and do some jo than begging ” ?

- S N S Ra o -

mehra prakash Wrote:

nice 1

Jayaram Ramesh Wrote:

Good message Prerna.

Thanks

Gopal Kapur Wrote:

Or, one could go to a nearby school, talk to the principal, and set up a scholarship or two for poor children – educate them and you have broken the poverty circle. If you are interested in learning how to do it, write back to me and I will refer you to a program where it is working well. Gopal.

Brigitte Nesser Wrote:

Love it!

Brigitte

Narayan Satyal Wrote:

Thank you prerana Jee very informative

Narayan

Rajesh Raghu Wrote:

I read all your articles. This one about “why poor stays poor” is amazing and thought-provoking. thanks for sending this. You have changed my perception about beggars. I am also one among those who show hatred and dislike when met with beggars.

rajesh raghunathan

hi,

Thanks for the article.

Cheers,
Abhijit

Ajit Bhutani Wrote:

Thanks for the note Prerna… this indeed makes sense..!
Message Taken :-)

@Reza – Thank you! I’m glad you liked the article. Yes of course, please feel free to translate the article (I would of course appreciate if you will link back to the original article and credit the author :) ). And please also leave a link to your translation in the blog comments so others can know of it!

Hi,
Thanks for the good informative article.
once again thanks for sending this.

Cheeers,
aNees:-)

Dear Ms Prerna,

I find this article thought provoking. By the way, let me introduce myself. I’m working as an asst editor for a Hyderabad-based English news weekly called Deccan Post. I feel this article needs exposure here among the common public in Hyderabad. Can I publish this one in our weekly in the edit page? Looking forward to hear from you.
Thanks for sharing this. Take care. Warm regards,
Payam

Sangram Wrote:

I think it is these neuroscientists who justify socially the practice of begging by giving the whole issue a scientific dimension. Ridiculous enough is your advise to pump pennies into their pockets and feel great of addressing the issues of begging. Remember, has just hold that the offsprings of the poor stay poor because of their poor reflexing power. It just does not say that these offsprings cannot be made into sound brains (may not be genius) by any external efforts acceptable socially. So, please donot spoil the intent of these scientific investigation just by stretching it to prove the practise of begging and to verify it scientifically. This is my sincere advise to you. Begging is a social situation, an unwanted social positioning of an individual. It needs a state planning. It is a social problem and hence need socio-political solution. Science can be used as a tool to adress the problem.

Laxmi P singhania Wrote:

I think people have very fixed views on the subject, you have choosen this time.
I, for one almost never feel like giving to beggers.
May be you start some other topic for us to be more energetic to participate.
One thing, I always wonder how people adopted to some sort of religion in every part of the world.It keeps on weakening with development but never gets eliminated.
There are always lot of oterwise sensible people who are great believers.

N Bhashyam Wrote:

Lack of opportunity is the reason for poverty.

hi Prerna!

thanks for sharing your views on the subject with me.

having seen beggers at very close proximity in Mumbai, i avoid giving money to the ones who come knocking at my car, specially guys in the age group of 12 – 25. in my mind most of them will be spending it on drugs. when its really small kids, there have been occasions when i have ended up buying food for them and which is what i recommend to others as well.

on another note, the psychological effects of poverty is a subject which intrigues me because me father and his 7 siblings grew up in extreme poverty (not the begging on the streets kinds, of course). this has had effects on them which keeps on manifesting on certain occasions though they are all very well off today. an example: a certain diffidence when getting into a money rich circumstance like a 5 Star hotel.

enjoyed other posts as well…cheers!
m

Dear Prerna,

Sai Ram. I can’t agree with your reasoning. Simple manual jobs don’t need much of any skill and I know many children of poor manual laborers who went to school and did well. And giving them a rupee or two and asking them to go and get some work are two mutually contradictory actions. The act of giving encourages the child beggar to ignore the advice and persist in begging since the actions count in the final analysis, not words.

Blessings

Swamy

Dear Prerna,
I cant agree with u more. U r absolutely right. I wonder how all those people who opposed the pink chaddi campaign and Public Display of Affection in the name of Indian religion and culture forget this. That one of the essential tenets of Gita is when Krishna tells Arjun,” That Arjun it is ur dharma that whenever some person comes to u asking for something u should give him that if its possible for u.It doesn’t matter if that person is suitable or unsuitable. Needy or otherwise.”
Its always better to give a few coins than to preach or to display one’s hard nose. By the way why do so many Indians have hard noses and why there r so few Western toilets in India. . And begging in the streets of Delhi amidst the heat and dust going from car to car is no mean task.It requires a lot of physical work and sweat. take care.love ankur

@ ankur

okay, i will give few coins to you……..but please don’t “preach” Gita to us.

Regards
Rahul

the article reminded me of a really good email i got a long time ago..

do read:

Really a class analogy..
An Old Story:

The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The Grasshopper thinks the Ant is a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away.

Come winter, the Ant is warm and well fed. The Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.

Indian Version:

The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The Grasshopper thinks the Ant’s a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering Grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the Ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed
while others are cold and starving.
NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering Grasshopper next to a video of the Ant in his comfortable home with a table filled
with food.

The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor Grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the Ant’s house.

Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other Grasshoppers demanding that Grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter .

Mayawati states this as `injustice’ done on Minorities.

Amnesty International and Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the fundamental rights of the Grasshopper.

The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the Grasshopper (many promising Heaven and Everlasting Peace for prompt
support as against the wrath of God for non-compliance).

Opposition MPs stage a walkout. Left parties call for ‘Bengal Bandh’ in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry.

CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among Ants and
Grasshoppers.

Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway Trains, aptly named as the ‘Grasshopper Rath’.

Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the ‘ Prevention of Terrorism Against Grasshoppers Act’ [POTAGA], with effect from the beginning of the
winter.

Arjun Singh makes ‘Special Reservation ‘ for Grasshoppers in Educational Institutions & in Government Services.

The Ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes,it’s home is confiscated by the Government
and handed over to the Grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV.

Arundhati Roy calls it ‘ A Triumph of Justice’.

Lalu calls it ‘Socialistic Justice ‘.

CPM calls it the ‘ Revolutionary Resurgence of the Downtrodden ‘

Koffi Annan invites the Grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.

Many years later….

The Ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi-billion dollar company in Silicon Valley,

100s of Grasshoppers still die of starvation despite reservation somewhere in India,

……AND

As a result of loosing lot of hard working Ants and feeding the grasshoppers,
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India is still a developing country & not developed yet…!!!

Laxmi P singhania Wrote:

Dear Gitesh,
A good story irrespective of you had read it or written yourself.

jitendra singh Wrote:

thank for all of this

Siddhamshetty Manohar Wrote:

This is averting the fact that ones involvement doesnt suffice

Tajinder Sharma Wrote:

well said

Aijaz Gul Wrote:

Greetings.
Thanks. This was a good piece and things in Pakistan are not any different. However, on my two trips to Dhaks in 2002, 2003, I found the street kids not begging but selling sweets, combs, and ballpoint pens. That was different. Lately,these kids(both boys and girl) have taken to instant cleaning your car windshields.
best,
aijaz gul
Islamabad

rashidaiims Wrote:

Hi
it was a nice article. Congrats for ur efforts. I may try in future.
Thankxxxxxxxxxxx

VINOD VIJ Wrote:

HIGH THOUGHTS

WITH GREAT WRITING

WITH WARM REGARDS

VINOD VIJ

Mohammad Amir Siddiqui Wrote:

Dear Prerna

Very good article.
have a nice day

Dr. Amir

Dear Prerna Gupta,

You mail throws focused light on new area which I personally never thought of. This has really changed my thinking about beggars.

Thanks Really for such a wonderful job !

With Best Regards

NB PINGLAY

Manjunatha S Wrote:

Tks Prerna, Nice msg.

Rgds
Cdr

Subrata Bhattacharyya Wrote:

Prernaji,

Your small piece of writing is really a brain-storming and I do appreciate that you have rightly diagnosed the psychosis of the children brought up in urban slum. The much talked economic growth of India and its transitory phase from developing to developed have nothing to do with the little girl who outstretched her hand outside the window of the fiat car or millions of rural poor who starve even the warehouses of Food Corporation of India remain overstocked. Our political system is very much complacent with the condition prevailing in both rural and urban areas since it gets its moral support from our so-called recognized society mostly dominated by the affluents who are either totally indifferent or enjoy the divide. Sometimes they write/create something like Slumdog Millionaire which is nothing but vending of dream of a distant reality only to satisfy their ego of intellectual excellence. The poor either remains poor or goes down to point of death to enjoy freedom from this hellly earth. People like you can sound the oft-repeated saying, “better to light a candle than to curse darkness.”.

I. B. Roy Wrote:

Hi prema, it is wonderful experience. Life is in female perspective even in Bangladesh are not bed of roses. Tremendous barriers, hindering of social custom turned the life become bitter. Lets raise the voice and struggle.

Thank you,

I.B.Roy

phani kumar sanke Wrote:

Thank u Prerna

Moses Beseni Wrote:

Hie Prerna

I have,really enjoyed your story and I have agreed with you in the sense that this happening in other countries not only in India and the little experience you had is what others have experiences only we did not want to come open.

Hope to learn more from you.

Thanks and best regards.

Moses.

srinivasan omalur Wrote:

Hi prerna

Begging by a physically challenged people is accepatable but begging
only for the reason that they do not get job is not valid excuse. Jobs
are available but people have to try for job.

o.v. srinivasan

dinesh chand Wrote:

thanks for the wonderful article.

Dilip Patel Wrote:

HI
Very nice article. we all know about it but its nice to see pen to paper and spread the mesage.
dilip

neeraj gupta Wrote:

hi Prerna,
your article is so good.i like your thoughts…………

pritamraj ghadage Wrote:

GOOD ONE!!

IMRAN SALAHUDDIN Wrote:

you are indeed talking the truth.

In my case if an adult young man keep on coming to my house asking money what i have done so far with few is asking them to buy a hawker license from the city council and when they come with that will take him to a wholesale shop and would buy him some stock where he can go and sell near a school or an office after explaining how to sell what to sell at what price and how to save to my stock next time on his own.

have seen some good results….

so that are so many ways we can be of help to human being … and that’s what God almighty wants from every human. that’s our real prayer to the Lord.

thanks and take care.

anup grover Wrote:

Any way it is alway easier to preach than to put things into action, once a person preaches he fills vidicated of the situation around him, whether be it poverty , crime against women etc

Regards,
Anup

karthikeyan ramanujam Wrote:

Comments:

1. Slums are created and not they have intention to live in that.

2. There are discriminations in job salaries which indirectly produce poverty.

3. If the man gets sufficient money to live and to make a life then there will be no problem for begging and slums.

4. All are created by the influential people who do administration are creating penurious people..

drupad maharaj Wrote:

that was very progressive and wise of someone who has never suffered that situation! nice to see world changing….Grace

Chitirala Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
Long time since you post your blog. I was expecting in this week and here it came. Nice one and thought provoking. i do agree with your thoughts on this issue. Most of the times when i come across such a situation i do give some money and later used to feel that am i doing mistake by giving them money, which results in keeping them interested in the same job.

but after gointhrough your opinion i got a solution that i need to talk to them wheneve3r i come across them with a good inspiring suggestions.

Thanks for your thought and keep mailing.

Bye Prerna.

MANISH SHARMA Wrote:

thanks mam..
nice thoughts…..keep writing.

male newdelhi Wrote:

dear prerna
i ‘m really amazed by ur article. u r so much caring abut the society but do u know this is a business in metros (indian) . as u talked abut old delhi u must be roaming around Jama masjid, Red fort adn chandni chowk where u must have seen all kind of beggars i means ladies, gents, youngs , olds , many of them even dont have their limbs . can u imaigne how they come or how they manage it.
my dear frnd this is business or u can say racket run by some mafias in all metros. these mafias bring poors to metros and keep them under their contol , force them to beg.
there are a place near mayapuri fly over where soem medical technicians put fake bandages to these ppl( u must noticed them with wounds at all crossign points) . these are paid ppl .

wat i can say this is the easiest way to get money and this is racket is in millions too where local adminstration has also share.

regards

nawraj karki Wrote:

Dear Prerna

How r u? Thanks for Nice and informative message.

stéphane ADHIN Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,
I do agree with your opinion.You know why people go abroad because they need work and money to survive.I am myself a great boss and I have employed 100 people for working in my enterprise.People who wake late and who is lazy , don’t want to work because their parents are rich. Working is good for health.That’s my personal opinion.

TANVEER ANSARI Wrote:

begging has become the second top minting money industry after sex industry, both controlled by MAFIA. Therefore begging is not as simple as it looks. Under-developed countries have been main sufferers of this CANCER, and it will keep spreading and both the industries are going to flourish day by day. When India, which is a threat to the west, is helpless to address begging issue and is becoming a challenge for any government, then how small under developed countries including Pakistan, could be saved. Although population is also one of the factors but it is not the main and the only factor. It is an internatioal MAFIA, survival of which totally depends on the said two industries (Sex + Beggers)…..you may not agree….but this is the case…..take care…tanveer ansari

shailendra goel Wrote:

Prerna ji
Your suggestion of giving money is not fruitful. You try giving them a positive advice & they
refuse toi take it. Its a well organised syndicate , ladies give thieir toddlers on rent to these beggars on hourly basis and u may find same baby with different beggars at different traffic lights at different time.
So that’s how the world goes, it used to go this way for ages & will go on like this.

Cheers !

prakash sahay Wrote:

I have done research on this issue beggers have property . Financially they are very well of than us. Begging is a habbit, is a culture . We cannot do begging because we feel humilated where as they do not .I do not agree to you.
Some other time I will discuss you will feel sorry if you ask them to leave begging
regards
Prakash Sahay

Chandresh Ahirwar Wrote:

Hello,

The article really created sympathy towards poor children. Was a gud observation.

Ajit Beri Wrote:

The elated feeling of the “Rich Class” by writing about the apathy of poor: I could not understand the meaning of your write up except that it appeared to be satisfying your own english writing skills. Otherwise you could have never mentioned first the harrowing aspect of Indian toilets which are one of the hygienic styles. I don’t want to say much but clearly you appear to be an elated, airconditioned chamber critique of Indian conditions who wants to remain at a good distance from the actual scenario. Prerna perhaps you are Indian but don’t actualy don’t want to belong to India.

shashank khandelwal Wrote:

mis prerna i also support the same

ashu garg Wrote:

prerna
it is nice to think about others but it is also the truth that the wealth can not be spread equally among all persons of the world, world is divided among between who rules (manage monetary power) and those who are ruled. only way to eliminate the problem is that one himself become poor than at least one’s conscious would not blame oneself.

to give money to the poor is good idea but whether that rupee would be used for the purpose for what is given always remain the question

other thing i can suggest, as u told the mind of those poor has been affected adversely due to poverty for ever, to marry such people and of course the next generation of the poor would not be poor as per this theory.

regards

ashutosh garg

Aditya Ghildyal Wrote:

But,I still love My India !!!

Though I agree with your view point & the scientific explanation thereto.

Reasons for the same are very obvious.

We must appreciate India has two big problems to attack ; Population & Illiteracy & contribute our little bit in whatever & howsoever capacity we can.

So,let’s shed hatred even if a little bit of it & help them out by the way you have said & create opportunities for them. Afterall, the whole world has already seen Slumdog’s rise to Millionairism.

Let’s be proud of our heritage.

Aditya Ghildyal

Noida

jeet darwish Wrote:

GOOD ADVICE… THANKS

shannon thompson Wrote:

Great story…I love reading your stories.

minakshi prasad Wrote:

oh Prerna thanks so much ! you are so wise !

pranay tiwari Wrote:

nice artical that is shown the real picture of rich persons who thought the beggers r like a dustbeen they never how much they are annentive for their livelyhood.

sam malik Wrote:

this is a sad story.. is there a way for someone to document this because
visual would greatly help this course. am into film production as a
student in east africa-kenya. iwould love to help where i can. thanks

anand kumar Wrote:

Dear Prerna,
I empathize with you and agree to an extent for the plight of the
poor. As far as research part is concerned it is worth acknowledging.

With Regards
Anand

Sarabjit Singh Juneja Wrote:

Thanks prerna, that was a real eye opener….I am totally with u on this.
This effort of yours shall go a long way in awakening the slumbering conciousness of us urbanites. Keep up the good work and do share your thoughts with me more often.
Take care and God Bless.
Warm regards,
Sarabjit

PERVEZ WAHAB Wrote:

Dear prerna .
You r absolutely right that the system or we are getting education at India is for just to show that you can read an article or newspaper or can write, in some place, if you put your signature , you will called a literate person, In this way it is difficult to get a job.

Regards
Pervez Wahab

Ramananda Kumar Janamanchi Wrote:

Very Inspired reading.Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,

JR Kumar

rakesh ay Wrote:

hi prerna,

great job. nice work.keep it up.

regards.
Rakesh.A.Yalakkaiah.

Felix Mwawasi Wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for the inspiring message!

pratap singh Wrote:

k….nice

Rajita Chenna Wrote:

Very good article.I would really try to implement it.

jaya shobaneshwari Wrote:

Wonderful.. so sensitively written .. so few of us bother to accept these facts and lay blame on people for staying poor. Thank you so much for sending this to me!

Regards,
Jaya

Dear Prerna,
When were you in India last? Its easy to give a beggar a rupee or two sitting in a car(probably also give them a work tip)and then ignore the umpteen others who never fail to notice the potential donor. Try doing this at any other place where you are physically accessible and the chain of beggars that follows the first you have entertained makes you realize that at this rate you could join the queue shortly.How do you know where the one rupee that you gave goes? Most of the time its a big racket where in the total collection of the day is summed up with the bulk going to the employer and the rest distributed between these beggars(employees). so you see they are actually working and not jobless;its just that they need a switch over to some nonskilled labour.I don’t agree with the scientist’s theory about their brains and all that. We have lots of brains…Can we do what they do for one day? Its just what you do daily becomes your way of life and when the only thing I am worried is one square meal a day,all the critical thinking can take a back seat.

BISHWAJIT CHOWDHURY Wrote:

Thanks Prerna.
Regards
Bishwajit

sheeraz Fida Wrote:

thanks

Muhammad Sheeraz Fida

Rajeswaran Wrote:

Good outlook, Prerna!

I was born in India and lived there for 28 years before moving to Africa. I visit India almost every other year. And i can narrate scores of incidents like the one you have mentioned;
people look with a scorn or disdain at me when i extend a little helping hand to these children.

most of the middle & rich class people carry that same mentality not realising that those poor have been deprived of a decent living for – not just centuries – but milleniums! naturally, they are nowhere near any of their (M&R class) kids to pose a challenge.

A lot needs to be done on this front and a small contribution like yours is certainly a welcome one!

Continue to nudge. . . it pays..!

Love
Rajeswaran

bibek prasad routh Wrote:

Instead of emphasizing on and highlighting the findings from
Neurological research, we may strive to find out those persons from
the economically downtrodden strata of the society who have overcome
most of the difficulties as outlined in the research and make the
human race proud of them.

Giving the poor a rupee or two as alms will be beneficial to the poor
only to the extent of a rupee or two. Why can not we make the poor
fellow understand what his or her brethren have done in overcoming all
the difficulties? Such understanding, if imbibed, will far outweigh
any amount of alms.

Sincerely

Bibek Prasad Routh

Sajid Ur Rehman Wrote:

Small blocks can make a building. very nice job. Keep it up!

gurjeet tiwana Wrote:

Hi ,
I am impressed by ur article. Good job indeed…. I am from punjab. every time when we visit India we face the same situation . u can see them everywhere, on streets, in outside shopping mall, bus stand , railway stations etc. your suggestion is very good.
take care.
bye now.

Yogesh Patel Wrote:

I disagree with your assesment about giving Rs1-5.
Cheers,
Yogesh

Brijesh Sharma Wrote:

Thank you for the article on beggars. The beggars are much fewer today than a decade ago in the historical cities that I visit often on my own and with my groups of American tourists. Giving a few Rupees to a few can create a mob situation and does not help in solving the problem. I personally feel that giving money to some charities that educate poor, rural children is a much better idea. The Art of Living foundation in Bangalore has one very well run organisation called “Care for Children” – website: http://www.careforchildren.com

Brijesh

Niladri Basu Wrote:

Good to read, but do you know that begging is a BIG business in India as well as some other poor countries?

Regards,
Niladri

Bharadwaj MR Wrote:

Noted, thnx for yr observation n study. Wl do so.

Regards
Bharadwaj

Mario Quinteros Wrote:

Dear Ms. Gupta,

Many thanks for your mail.

I fully agree with your point of view regarding poverty.

With best regards.

Mario Quinteros

Arun Devgatikar Wrote:

hello, Prerna
I have just read your article. This is a nice writing, but one thing is less in your article, that is- most watch in Delhi when you was on backseat. First, have you find the cause of unemployment of people of any country? what are the main cause?
Second, have you find a person who do not want any type of work?
Third, if one person do a work in our society by his or her interest for society’s related works, who paid their wages?
Prerna, have you read the book ‘Banar se Nar banane mein Shram ki bhumika’, this book is written Engels.
prerna you have a nice attitude but first know your society’s reality and their moving style and interest of whom this society has been working for long, and watch who’s hegemony on our society and this system.
next meet shall you, pleasure
Arun Devgatikar

daniel abraham Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,
I am 74 years old, completing on July 5th,2009. Still active in educational and social work. Do not know how long I would do it but I love to dot it till the end.
I enjoyed your very informative article” Go and get a job”. I meet with many beggars everyday as I drive through the Ludhiana City where I am living for the past 50 years.I love the child beggars and I wish they had a better life.Keep writing.
Rev.Dr.D.Abraham.

Vincent Noronha Wrote:

My Dear Prerna Gupta,

THANKYOU Madam for your insight. I have always believed that each of us has a special task on earth. Each person who contacts us is unique and has so much to share and give. Human Resources Bank has been offering free employment services to job seekers, without any differentiation. If someone wants to work, be it using labour (manual) or both, HRB is with her/him.
Its been over two decades, since we began.
And we hope to go on….
Your email has certainly made my day…er early morning of another day!

I wish you every happiness and May God give us more PRERNAS!
Much Obliged
Vincent Noronha

rav singh Wrote:

this really hurts, god bless them all.

we don t sometimes release what we have

Sam Subramanian Wrote:

The statement “Neuroscience research conducted on children who have been raised in poverty has shown that the stress of a poor childhood has permanent affects on the brain” is hard to believe. Because restriction of resources have always induced competing spirits in human and hence have increased the learning abilities in children. All developed nations have always imported their intellectual labour from the third world.

Sam Subramanian

Khairul Alam Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupte

Thanks for your sharing.

Take care.

Dr Md. Khairul Alam

Sanjay Gupta Wrote:

Thanks so much its very nice view

Vishwa Bhushan Wrote:

Hai
i received an e-mail from u which was quite amazing ….. u
know it is very good for the welfare of the beggars and to help them
in such an inspiring manner is more excellent . i think many wants to
do that but how …….. its a problem so be in touch and guide us to
do that
Bhushan

maloy dhar Wrote:

Dear Prerna,
Some aspects of your essay are really thought provoking. But there are bigger aspects to examine. This is a complicated social, economic and mafia related problem that basically emanate from State negligence and poverty.
Regards,

S N Agarwal Wrote:

A good thought.
What I feel brain meed training. It does not have the effect
of richness or otherwise,
They need Education
Regards
SN Agarwal

Pt.S.SuchindranathAiyer Wrote:

India, for all its much wonted constitution is not a democracy. It is a socio-metricocracy. Every community for itself and the devil take the hindmost. There is no rule of law in India where the moribund courts abdicate their responsibilities to the powerful and the rich creating and sustaining an extremely ugly feudal society where people cultivate insensitivity if not brutality to mask their helplessness. Being an Indian, i.e. arrogant, ill mannered, amoral and an enemy of civil sociey then becomes a habit of the rich and powerful. This is faithfully emulated by the weak and the helpless as well whenever they have or can create a brief opportunity of power to abuse. Concern and consideration for the fellow man is merely a political cloak of convenience to be cast off or donned as per the opportunity of the moment. The traditional mitigating factor of belief in Karma and Darma that held crime in check in an ungoverned land have now been politically eradicated leaving India and, particularly elected office in India, free for all criminals and a torture house for the honest and the honourable.

Dheeraj Arora Wrote:

Well said

niharika gautam Wrote:

lovely…liked it very much…..totally in view with you….whosoever has written bilkul sahi kahaa mast…bindaas….i should say awesome….barambaar pranaam…..

G. C. Bose Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

Very well written. I appreciate your feelings and fully agree with you.

Regards,

G. C. Bose,

VIVEK MISHRA Wrote:

hai,many thanks for ur view

good concept.reasonable to view the society for positive growth. anything for growth to be acceptable. hence i admire your view on creating an awareness among society to eradicate begging for better living society.
regards
raja

sanjeev Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
I read your mail,it was really heart-touching ,you think about those people which we call beggars.Actually they need guidance with education,but it is not so simple to guide and literate a 30-years or some more or less aged person.So if we want to get rid of this problem (of ours as well as those persons) there is one solution and that is to make the children of these people educated anyhow.It is not so simple because these beggars they never want there children get education because they are so much obsessed with their begging habit and also these innocent children help them in bringing sympathy of a common man.One more and important thing that most of these beggars are addicted of drinking habit so if you are giving them money then there is more chance that you are giving them ‘desi adda or paua’ so if you have sympathy for them then help them by offering some food or some clothes or other usable things in this manner we can minimise the problem to some extent but not completely.

Dear Rahul,
You r showing ur true character .Actually ur true indian character. That u use books like Gita for ur convenience .And when the same book goes against u , ur usual excuse, “Dont preach the Gita to us.” That in the face of rational and a better mind ur only escape would be affrontery ,insult and meanness. Full marks to ur hypocriosy. And thanks for ur offer. I would love to accept a few coins from u. Just tell me the mode of payment. You see i m an e-beggar.Like e-commerce. Take care.love ankur.

Hi Prerna,

I do not live in India and I definitely do not agree with what you have written. I live in the US, San Francisco, to be exact and I think that your thought process is off the rails this time. If you want to see a change in India, get rid of your caste system…it does more to fuel poverty and begging that anywhere else on this planet!
To help the downtrodden is more human than to not…btw it is not aginst the laws of human nature to prefer life over death….if I had to beg to survive, I would. When approched by a beggar, if I have cash to spare, I will contribute…after all and if circumstance were to change, I could be the one begging.

Hi
Once a begging girl came to my mother-in=laws place, she asked for a ruppee. My mother-in-law asked her to clean the house surroundings and the drain pipes every thing and said she’ll give her 5 rupees and some rice.The girl did all the work what my mother-in-law told her and took the money and rice.I think if u can offer any work offer them or else just give them something to eat but not advice.We don’t like to hear someone telling us what to do all the time with out helping especially when we are in need, they also feel the same way.

raiju tom Wrote:

i appreciate that people think like this but practically speaking…..will you do this….?do you have time to do this? can you point a common man doing this……so…

bhunesh garg Wrote:

its very nice. thanks.

Satyabhusan Mishra Wrote:

Certainly, thats the bitter truth which we all have seen.and realised.
But what one can do yaar
Evrybody is so busy in their activities.Is nt it??????????????

Sudeep Mishra Wrote:

your article is a real eye-opener. If that’s the case, these people really deserve sympathy from the well to do people. However, this also points to the fact that it is imperative that the government takes special steps for improvement in their lot including by way special education schemes which are inexpensive and specially tailored towards children in such groups.

praveen shankar kapoor Wrote:

I fully agree with Prerna Gupta, the society seriously needs to understand the mind set & problems of urban poor children. We always feel that there are lots of menial jobs that poor can take up but friends its really tough to look for even any a Daily Wage Job when you dont have even a assured one meal in a day.

Praveen Shankar Kapoor

Raghav Jha Wrote:

Hi prerna

Too good …………………….

anil gupta Wrote:

it was nice to some scientific facts,keep it up
anil

PARMESH SONI Wrote:

hi prerna ,
it is true that we must have sympathy with beggars, giving one or two
rupees to beggars may give him some happiness if we are not giving
children would not be able to eat food because whatso ever earned by
thier father is being spent on wine.They also can’t be siad lazy But
crimes also take sheltor among these people.Instead of advising him
for gettig job. govt must take steps to identify their qualty and
nurture them. Some NGo are doing same But Works done by them is like
Unt ke moh me jeera.

chitra gupta Wrote:

THANX

dinesh t Wrote:

Dear Ms.Prerna Gupta
I compeltely disagree with you. You know this roadside beggars always carry abundent/ excess number desease virus. The coin what you give they will passit on to somebody along with some viruses of desease. That is the reason we could not able get over after(govt) spending so much on eradicating/trying to eradicate the deadly deseases virus in India. One of foreigner freind told me,I am really scared collect the change(in form of coins). You know how much they spread the deseases. Collect one coin from this beggars and go for lab test you will come to know what difference your making in transmitting this desease to this modern world.
Pls study the situation and send a mail next time
Bye Bye

prafull dagwar Wrote:

Thank you for your kind suggestion

Mahendra Dubey Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
Your article was worth reading with a perspective. I have been in touch with various NGO’s working for the betterment for those less fortunate ones on the streets of Mumbai. There have been a lot of organisations and individuals contributing their part for the good cause but it seems they are not enough.
I came across one such organisation in Mumbai that is currently working for rehabilitation of destitute on the streets. They not only provide cure, sympathy but also try to rehabilitate them with their relatives. Some unfortunates ones who are not acceptable by their near and dear ones are provided shelter and opportunities within the NGO premises.
I will be delighted to know if some of our efforts can help these poor people.
Thanks and warm regards
Mahendra

deepak12 jaiswal Wrote:

hi prema.
good ,that was absolutly better idea to improove the standesds of the beggers .

niharika gautam Wrote:

God bless you always infact i wasn’t aware of the fact you told me.Thanks once again for opening my eyes.

Jai Krishan Wrote:

Thanks to sent me this msg. for specially slum, I was never thought that slum also can do some thing to improve own life.

Kris Varma Wrote:

Hi Prerna

Thanks for the enlightening insight. Being from Fiji, I had not encountered beggars until I visited India for the first time. To see a land of contrast with poor and rich people living side by side was quite a change for me. I met a number of street beggars and was taught by some people about how to behave towards them. Your message has given me a new light on how to consider this in future.

Regards

Kris

janani kamakshi Wrote:

very nice

sonar bangla Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,

Thank you so much for sending me a nice article. I do appreciate your writing skills and wisely description of encouraging matter for the betterment of the social causes.

Thanks so much again. Carry on!

Yours truly.

Golam Mostafa

Kaushik Hazra Wrote:

Yes I fully agree with you. I reside in kolkata,sometimes I also think about it, and I feel ashamed about the fact that our fellow countrymen who are begging are treated with such degree of disdain.
If we have at least little bit of sympathy towards them rather than the hatred we have shown to them then the world of them would have been different one. If any one lies on footpath for begging I find no normal persons, irrespective of his social status, try to know why he is begging or what has made him to beg.
Nobody would care for them unless any NGO or police will take them.
Above all I think we desperatly need proper education to build a society for all irrespective of their caste, religion, social status, economic conditions. A society which doesn’t teach act of hatred, disdain to the poor people but to shower beams of sympathy towards them so that they also feel that they are also the part of the society.

Regards
Kousik Hazra

MOHAMMED NASEEM KHAN Wrote:

Hi Prerna

Your observation & study for beggars was good, These people are professional and they dont want to change there profession, In 2002 I have started Manufature bakery Items. I was vacancy in my bakery for workers, One day I was sitting on my cash counter , One Lobanwala (one type of beggers) very young boy around 21yr of age came to my bakery with lighted charcoal ,he put some loban on the lighted charcoal resulting in smoke (this smoke is consider holy in India) and he demand for money. I saw this boy very young and healthly asked him why he do all this, he answer “for money”. I offer him the job in my bakery, he ask me how much I will pay, I Immediately ask him how much he get in a day by begging. I was stunt when he answer Rs 500 to Rs 700. I was silent and ask him to go. Usually I pay to new workers Rs 2000 with food + Accomodation I was knowing he will never work when he is getting good amount daily without hard work.

If any body who can change the system is goverment but goverment is not taking major step to end this system. It is my dream to see india with out beggers, I dont know its a hard call, I also know it is a universal true it’s next to impossible.

I thanks your for mail and I appreciate for your thought.

Naseem

Altaf Hussain Wrote:

hi

yes sure u may be right in saying begging begets from poevrty but in our society its not poverty alone but a easy way to earn which could be doen the other way through searching a job.

i also agree with the research u have mentioned but it could not be generalized on entire populace of the poor and beggars.

sincerly

Altaf

Kishore Vyas Wrote:

Social strong people should come forward to help or support these weaker section to uplift their life.

pancham sahu Wrote:

you have very simlifyied intrepretation of the beggars but i think it is better to frovide them job or something productive to do rather giving them Re 1 and bare updesh” kuchh kaam waam kyo nahi karte”…..

chandrashekhar rajbhar Wrote:

thanku for your suggesstion and good always help to good people

vijaypal rawat Wrote:

Hello Ms Prerna,

Thanks for the nice article u sent to me. While i am in agreement with most of what u have said in ur article, but unfortunately there does not seem to be any consolidated policy for a way ahead. There have been cases in India where the beggers have been relocated in localities for a better living conditions, however, they return back to their earlier conditions of living for eaking out easy living. As an Indian this situation is dismal and at times abhoring, but then with the explosion of population there doesnt seem to be any solution, in army parlance it is called a mission creep. Hoping to hear more from u to continue with the discussion. Bye, Vijay

arjun naidu Wrote:

thanks prerana for giving this suggestion but i am doing this actually from past 3 years when i realized about somethings in my life

ashish nayan Wrote:

well written……..but y dont u consider the root cause of
it…….unequal distribution of wealth in the society………..we
definitely need to direct our attention towards these people as the
beggar’s face is the FACE OF INDIA……we just cant neglect
that……. I appreciate ur effort……

vinay desai Wrote:

Excellent article. Totally agreed. Can you answer one question.
Do you what happens to the two rupee you give to the child?

mridul biswas Wrote:

Dear Prema ,
Your advise is glorious for a awards lover’s colunns or in a book. but the reality says different.. I’ personally told a very young begger that come with me and I will keep you as a maid and Iwill provide you salary , food cloths but hearing this words that boy turned up his face and leave that place very quicly. Now tel me what should I do . Shoud I follow him( leaving my all works ) with foods, money , cloths to give these to him . Giving advise is very easy. So, Start leaving in reality..

Thanks and regards,
Mridull

Jatinder Singh Monga Wrote:

Hi Prerna

That’s great .. Thanks for concern

Regards
Jatinder Monga

fila bam Wrote:

always impressive…
have a nice day !!

RP SINGH Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I appriciate your thoghts…………..

RP Singh

md nadim huda Wrote:

good morning!and thank you for sending me such a lovely article.

Atal Singh Wrote:

There is no way any poor child who is given a rupee or two will every be able to leave the slum, it needs dedicated and honest effort from the leadership of the country and the masses in general to change this situation. I However think there is a big difference that can be made by bringing in these kids into the main stream by giving them jobs which do not stress them physically but help them to earn a living and along with that they need regular counseling to learn to read and write.

Atal Pratap Singh

jyoti nandi Wrote:

Hi Prema,
it is reallly good content and it showed your thinking about the life.i am very much impressed.
jyoti

raja natarajan Wrote:

Very soul stirring Keep up the good work Raja

Jasvir Labana Wrote:

It was very nice.

Thanks

Faheem Abbas Wrote:

This is a whole load of shit.
Begging is an organized crime in India & Pakistan. It is an irritating
menace which adds stress.
My heart & money does go out to physocally challenged mendicants even
though this lot might also be part of the organized psycho terror.

Ziauddin Khan Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,

Please accept my compliment on such a good article. THe question has been bothering me a lot……..
why poor tend to remain poor ?
why they cannot get into the main stream and feel good about it.

In my own way I have been trying to do something about such situation but always remained puzzled ………. when this person has been provided the access to all facilities which he/she could never dream of “does not take the plunge?

As for my dealing with poverty I follow the same route which you mentioned .. never to be impolite to them.

Have a nice day.
Regards
Zia

Arvind Shete Wrote:

Dear Prerna
Like it very much
It’s real story of poor in meros

Regards,
Arvind

vishnu sharma Wrote:

HI, thanks for story, I really appreciate it .
vishnu

Thanks.Your all articles makes good reading.It contains deep thinking with good topics.

yours truely,

suman

s.subramoniam Wrote:

hi preena how r u??? may i know what u r doing professionally……….
ur article is really nice & the incident happen in our day to day life & i also wish to give the same as like u(money & advice). iam just a student, so i can do the advice only to the persons who r young. iam very much interested in giving such advices to people for public welfare & to give health tips to public as iam a pharmacist.
some beggers r simply begging & running their lives without doing any other work.
what is essential of that life. they will follow the same for their lifetime & then handed over to their generations. the life of a human is valuble. the organs of humans are extraordinary things. by using his organs (brain) he can do many things.
With the power of human, a single person can make a drastic change in the world.
single succeeded personalities example:Edison, Bilgates, Ambani,hitler,etc. they acheived something on their own way. so, not doing anything is useless.
In tamil language a proverb is there that is “thurupidithu povadai vida theaindu povadey mel”
just we can give a good speach of motivating & encouragng including opertunities in favour of jobless persons including beggers.
thank u

Dear Prerna,

the circle of beggars will never disappear by a good advice or money. For centuries, poverty has been an institution in India. Poverty is something India is famous and known for in the world.

Have you ever asked a beggar if he/she is happy living this way?

Beggars have achieved a status in their own world. They developed their own community, parallel to the common indian society.

There´s always a reason for behaviour and mentality. Being a beggar among beggars, what more would you want? Would you feel challenged to do anything else when all people in the same community don´t show another way or give a better example?
Many Indians are devoted to their social status and background, why should they feel challenged to achieve anything different? You could change their way of thinking, would you connect them to people of other social classes, only this way they could recognize a difference and may get ambitious to get out of their arranged life.

There´s a simple way to resolve the problem… school attendance should be compulsory, a part of law. From childhood on children need guidance by good examples.
Money hasn´t ever lead to any good value or change of a system… it only leads to dependence.
A change of structures is required.
A structured day, a well set example by those who grow and teach children is the only way to change a mindset, in a phase where a mind is evolving and a character can be influenced.

Segregation won´t lead to any change, an intermingling of social groups will probably cause wonders, but I doubt that middle class or upper class parents would agree to that. This could lead to protest and debates.

The entire indian society needs to think about it.

Greetings,
Nadja :-)

nishanth vaishnav Wrote:

nice one prerna. thx…

harshal aradhye Wrote:

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH you mam………
this what exactly i have been noticing in beggars. The main reason for their plight is ofcourse their poverty and this is a vicious circle. One more thing to be noticed is they are more bent towards crime as no mercy or the soft side of life ever shows up to them. A ravaged mind finally selects the path of violence to achieve its goal .
that is why tere is a say :- “No person is a born CRIMINAL , society moulds him into it “

bilal ahmed Wrote:

Hi Prerna i appreciate it thanks for such a nice message

Regards

Krystan Wrote:

Greetings My Friends:

Excellent article! Such a passive violent response to the call for help indicates an underlying FEAR of lack, in a Universe that is infinitely oppulent, and only perpetuates the whole Poverty Mentality. The article is very well done and quite convincing.

Abhay Jain Wrote:

Another Excellent point you make here…

nivedita dash Wrote:

prerna this is a nice stuff u have brought up.
i respect ur perspective,i even consider wat the scientists hav brought up in their research,but i dont agree wid u completely.
first tell me ambani wat was his childhood like,?
Dr A.PJ abdul kalam is also one who had a miserable childhood(monetary)
There are many rag to riches stories that these ppl should get inspired from,rather than blaming their fate.
if u hav d will ull definitely com up wat restrictions may be imposed is wat i believe.coz as gates says u cant do anything about being born poor but its sure u are capacitate enough to die not a poor.
ok tellme which 1 came 1st egg or the bird?
the same way u dont kno who were the 1st rich or 1st poor ppl to appear,but its definitely true that d 1 who toiled hard was owner of fortunes n who slothed time was poor .
2nd
money is like waves ,it comes n goes 2day who’s rich might b their on streets 2moro with d bowl that drew ur attention,n d 1 poor 2day might turn the tables round
i also agree that money is like tide wen it comes it comes in full measure and stays long,but when it receeds it leaves the land infertile and useless,but wid ur wisdom n determination u cud stop the water(money) at ur gates wid a dam built at proper point of time.

society is such a big firehearth which has an everlastin demand 4 manpower in different areas,instead of feeling pity we can get them into place where they can get vocational trainig to fit into the demands of this world,besides fulfilling their own needs n requirements

Susmita Ganguly Wrote:

prerna

i liked your article. good and very thoughtful.

bye.

susmita aunty.

saraswati chandra srivastava Wrote:

HI PRERNA, NICE THOUGHT..

Bideshi pradhan Wrote:

Thanks for positive thinking.

RITU GARG Wrote:

tum bahut acha likhyi ho

kirtiman das Wrote:

hi prerna..im impressed by ur article

murali kumar Wrote:

Thought Provoking!!

Rajeev Sharma Wrote:

many thanks for sharing poetic prose closest to reality .

Manoj Dass Wrote:

nice thought mem

arif sheikh Wrote:

hi Prerna,
Thanks for the concerned ! really appreciated !

DR.R.S.SODHI Wrote:

nice thought

Hi Prerna,
this artical will be eye opener for many people…hope at list few of the try understand and follow….i will be one of them….

Warm Regards,
Aneel

Hi Prerna,

It is innovative idea but in INDIA you can’t change this things……….

N P Patro Wrote:

Thanks Prerna for being vocal in your perspective.
I agree with you and your view point.

sincerely
nppatro

Mukesh Dodain Wrote:

Wow Prerna.
I simply loved it!
Also, thanks for the information.
Keep writing!
Mukesh

Litton Prosad Mowalie Wrote:

your thought was great. I appreciate it

Javed Iqbal Wrote:

Hi Prerna Gupta
I always wait for your posts. I appreciate your thinking and thoughts. Please carry on.

Kishore Raghu Wrote:

Hi,

Nice Essay Mam. But they will never change their attitude of Begging instead of working, even tough thye have lot of stenght to do work.

Sulekha C George Wrote:

thanku very much for a new direction to such thoughts about child beggars.Br.Maurice Malieckal is my friend who takes care of abandoned children in the streets.He once advised me not to be charitable towards children who sell lottery tickets in the streets.They are being misused by their parents,the father being a drunkard the mother using her children in the plight of running her household.the children thus won’t go to school.do these children come in the same category?

abhinav tomar Wrote:

hi….
i like ur effort….
great yaar…..keep going…..

Abhinav Tomar

Manind Prasad Wrote:

dear prerna,
i hope you are not aware of the fact that almost all the beggars in indian cities are part of a begging racket headed by some criminal and whatever money you give them actually helps the criminal’s/terrorists’ cause more and not the small beggar that you see.

manind

vincent arokiadas Wrote:

Thank you for the nice article.

regards
Vincent

sambhaji indalkar Wrote:

good one keep it up

deepak kumar Wrote:

well said and deeply felt.

Aneela Qayyum Wrote:

Your artical was very interesting and thought provoking, you are right in saying that when we give money to beggers, we also try to advice them that they must try to get any kind of job for themself and become the respectable member of the society.

Dear ankur
Yeah, I am showing my true character. Really I am true indian character.
Regarding my statement, “Don’t preach Gita to us.” I strongly believe that YOU are not any authority TO PREACH Gita to us.
Full marks to your loyalty towards Prerna.
Whatever rubbish she writes, you always support her with your useless arguments.
You would love to accept few coins from me, but right now I am not in a mood to give you anything, it’s my hard earned money, you see.
And keep your e-beggar attitude with yourself.
BEGGARS CAN NOT BE CHOOSERS.
Always remember this.

Regards
Rahul

Well

I don;t agree even 1%.

I thought LA has the second largest poor catagory(illegal workers from Mexico working for penuts). I am not sure about their brain size.

I was horrified when I saw people begging inside LA airport(they had a ID card), people working in thong at the airport. That was year 2000. I believe it has gone worse now.

“People response, behaviour and looks(smartness) depends on their Personal & Family Wealth”. Kids from a influencial family, mostly ends at the top job at some company.

Wealth makes people smart.

@ ankur

SPECIALLY FOR YOU……..FROM BHAGWAD GITA:
In Bhagwad Gita shloka VIII-6 Lord Krishna emphasizes the might of the power of thought. It is our thinking pattern which decides the day for us … none can affect our thinking … this is the only true power God has given to every human being irrespective of caste or creed, dogmas or religion. Two persons who may have been given the same training throughout their career may be found to achieve different goals in their life … one may become a King of the country and the other may be found sitting on the corner of the road with a begging bowl in his hand. Do not leave anything to chance or luck … you may or may not succeed.

Regards
Rahul

@ ankur

……continued……
Dear ankur, now what is your reaction to shloka VIII-6 of Bhagwad Gita?
This shloka is going against YOU and Prerna.
So, what is your usual excuse?
Let me tell you………hide your face like Prerna does usually under such tricky situation, so as not to expose your under developed thinking process.

Thanks and Regards
Rahul

Here’s my chavanni’s worth – I believe if and when you decide to give to a beggar, please know that your 1 rupee will not significantly change their life for better or worse. The only difference it could make is to yourself. You feel good to have done your bit for someone (who you hope really needed the money and was not part of a begging mafia). So leave it at that.

If you really want to make a diff, then invest some time thinking about he larger issues:
1.Will “reservations” in jobs or education help uplift the underpriviledged?
2.How can we stand up against corruption in the public distribution system or in the police (who turn a blind eye to begging mafia or the slum lords)
3.How do we prevent politicians from using illegal slums as votebanks (because if politicians win elections on basis of slums, they will never ever work to eradicate the slums)… and so on.

I am not ankur. There are doctored comments under ankur. Please do not reply to them.

@ ankur

You are not ankur?
Is there any concrete evidence in support of your claim?
NO.
Anyway, whoever you are, i don’t care about your name.
As far as i am concerned, my replies are to comments made by id called “ankur”.
Let that “id” come and give reply, you don’t take tension dear………ankur???

Regards
Rahul

Niladri Chattopadhyay Wrote:

I enjoyed your writing, though – if you don’t mind – I am not in agreement. Hope you are aware that begging is a punishable offense by the legal system of almost the entire globe, and there are very compelling arguments in favor. Beggars should not be given alms. Sympathetic minds who want to help them must find a better exhaustive way to help their problems. A 1 rupee alm only prolongs their days of misery – but doesn’t help them in any constructive way while it destabillizes the society in a bigger manner. These are problems where emotions would try to dictate your actions – but you cannot allow that :)

Take care,
Nil

GURMEET BAGGA Wrote:

HELLO PRERNA

I THINK ITS THE MOST COMMON PROBLEM IN ALL STATES OF INDIA

WBR

GURMEET SINGH

RATNADEEP GADHE GADHE Wrote:

hi prerna
nice to c yur such gud n social oriented message. thx for remembering such humanity n kind ness withhin n hopefully rest of indian people. it is really forward step to change scenario of indian to apna bharat

DIVAKAR Narayanrao Wrote:

It is nice and quite affirmative. But a capitalist society with a Heirarchical caste system would have these problems aplenty and both civil society and the state should shoulder the responsibility for such abysmal poverty stalking the populace. Thanks for sending the writeup.

subhash kumar Wrote:

Good one Prerna, but im surprised to hear this.

Varun K Wrote:

Hello Prerna

Its really heart touching story. No words to express my feelings.

rajkumar yadav Wrote:

nice to know ur idea.thank u for sending such lovely experience.

kuldeep gupta Wrote:

thank you for keep awaking we indian.

abhishek kumar dada Wrote:

hi,

I haven’t heard like this logical & creative thinking from any girl earlier.

thanks,
abhishek

Faqir faqir Wrote:

dear Gupta,
you touched a very complex topic. Both the aspects mentioned in your article are true. They don’t want to work as well as they have capacity problems restraining them from work. They are too clever because they are exposed to the realiies of life specially the survival tricks at the very young age.
(some people die because of hunger while others die because of over-eating)
They sometime earn more than a normal worker but who would like to be like them. It is not easy.
What the society is doing? are there any safety nets to help the down trodden? is there any socio-economic justice? Is there any concept of social responsibilities towards the less/unfortunate. Have we ever thught beyond our own self?
are we not responsible for most of the collective ills because we never thught of collectivity and plurism. Did we ever considered ourselves a part of the Whole or we are just happy within our own micro self.
its good if one can look beyond his perceptions and subjectivity.

Sincerely,
Faqir

Gaurav Sharma Wrote:

there are lot of job if any one can have the talent that can get more and more chances.
otherwise laziness is punishable……………..
In Indian mythology none could wants to works……………

ashrith dr Wrote:

Thank u , I really admire it .

POOJA SATISH Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I truly believe in what you have written. Especially in the last paragraph “there are explanations beyond laziness for why the poor stay poor for generations…”
Yes people like to be comfortable no matter what, they never think beyond.

Regards
Pooja

manisha ahya Wrote:

Dear Prena,

Thankyou for your latter lots of things to know and understand.
I totally agree with what you have written.

Regards

Manisha

Prof. Iyer Wrote:

Dear Prerna,
I read with interest, your snippets on a variety of issues.
About begging & it’s effect on children:
The problem is malnutrition, on account of poverty.
Poverty eradication is possible only thru’ EEE, i.e
Education, Employment & Economic-security.
This is not easy in a country like India, which was
invaded,colonised & plundered time & again.
We inherited this state of affairs from the British;
a population of 334Mn with 18% literacy in 1947.
Today we are at 64.7% & we have a long way to
go. Corporate India , since economic liberalisation
has done a great job for job creation.The per capita
income has gone past the Rs.36000/- mark this year.

Despite the quality of people we elect into the echelons
of political power, the progress as an economic entity is
undeniable. Unlike the USA, India is not a country with
vast geological resources, nor been away-from-war attacks
nor socio-culturally too materialistic. Joy without much money,
works in countries like India. Happiness indices evidence this.

The panacea lies in electing the very best of political leaders,
who are committed to deliver economic & social development.
As Plato said “A country gets a Govt. it deserves”
All the best & God bless,
Prof.Iyer

Tushar Jadhav Wrote:

dats a nice story

Parveen vij Wrote:

good talk!!!!!!

Thank you, Prerna for such eye opening thought . It is a concern that makes us to respect these children on our streets and standby them.
David

Stanislaus Salve Wrote:

Science has its ways….. but there is something more evident than science perhaps not everyone will agree. i think we as human beings are responsible for all this mess…. spiritually speaking god wouldnt discriminate when he made this whole world and the entire human race.
And if you go through history its human lust, greed, hungry for power and selfishness has lead to this situation. As i said not everyone will agree but the fact is all the wrongs, sins, hatred etc is because of us human beings and not anything else, science will have lot of things to be discovered and invent???? but we need to understand what is right ?

Stan

its true that the beggars are pitable i myself experienced that when i
tried to get too close to some poor people i found a strange rebilion
inside them which made know there is reason greater than just poverty
for there mindset.
so i just decided to give any money if i had at that moment or else
just answer cooly that i dont have any change.
there exists a hope
for these people only if someone like mother theresa can sprout in
every state so that there pain can be more closely shared and done
with.these people need one more thing other than roti kapda makaan n
that is true love n compassion of which they have deprived throughout
there life continuosly.IF YOU CAN FEED A BEGGAR OR A MAD PERSON WITH
ONE MEAL ATLEAST ITS EQUAL TO GIVING LOAN TO GOD HIMSELF. just do this
once n from next time even if u ignore them u wont be too wrong in
doing it cause if u arn’t still moved just carry on with it. someone
someday will do the remaining job for them like mother theresa n u can
contribute to it.

anand dabas Wrote:

Hi prerna

very impresive I must say

sonajoke mohan lal Wrote:

Prerana’s feeling is very good….. Its impressive….. I am sure i
will follow her….. Keep it up Prerana……

Fatema Al-Balooshi Wrote:

Dear Ms. P. Gupta,

How many rupees and to how many kids. The solution is proper nutrition, believe it or not, the brain need to be fed to become smart and function, birth control pills, and a government control of how many children a couple can have, e.g. China. Inhuman, you might say, but it is better than the funny suggestions, and the funnier than, so called, research assumptions.

Truly your,

Fatema Baluch

Prashant Jani Wrote:

thanks for the wonderful article
you r doing a very nice job prerna……….bye

Dr Pankaj Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

I am impressed and its really true.

Even I also keep in mind and advised.

Regards

Dr Pankaj

natarajan pandian Wrote:

Dear perena gupta
nice way of expression ,an concern on street beggers that too at an youn age.As you said this has to change,but their family situation forced them to go like that in many cases.Unless personal care love shown to them this practice will taken granted as way of living. So every individual has the responsibility to make descent quality family .

rajendra agarkar Wrote:

I appreciate the thought. But it only fades away when You see the rupee given by you is spent buying a beedi(cigarette) or a shot. I have experienced these in the streets and by laes of Mumbai….. Hence the behaviour.

Regards,
Capt. Agarkar

Rajiv Malladada Wrote:

i like your concern for the poor people and the beggars. I am a lucky person to have enough background to support my explanation, have a background of educationist and also the current and previous knowledge of the political measures taken. Prerna Gupta, i would like to tell you about the consequences of the previous 10 years of the governments efforts to educate people, am from karnataka, for your information. There were several schemes conjoined for the efforts to educate th poor sector, the government here, here and then announces the new ways of attracting the poor people to get to the schools, it had an agreement to provide quality food freely in many needy areas of the state, the family of the children were provided free rice, etc every month.
The students are given free uniforms, text books, recently the government had taken initiatives to provide bicycles also. the teachers salary has been increased so that the teachers be grounded to their work in the villages too. many infrastructural developments are made every year.

It so happened that one day a seminar on providing education to the poor sector, and giving them job opportunities had completed, my dad was the person who gave the seminar on it, we were leaving for the lunch on our bike, had to stop for the fruits to buy in the market; suddenly a boy in school uniform with Hanuman’s pic in the plate begged for money, That was really emberrassing, my dad works in the institutes as well as in the government to pressurise on new schemes to educate people, suddenly as if the god himself testin our work came the boy begging in the partial uniform.

The failure of my dad’s day and night’s work, i couldn’t tolerate. I asked him back whats goin wrong, then he said that they are lazy to earn money the hard way, so the easy way is beg, even though if you give an offer of a job they will not do it.!

Thats the shocking truth, there is only one way for the progress of the poor, that is removing laziness, and awareness of self esteem and dignity of themselves towards hardwork and decent meals.

vishnu reddy Wrote:

Sir,
I have been giving a rupee by seeing there face and hugry voice of them which melts my heart but now I decided to give a rupee and to advice to them.

After week i have seen him working in hotel at evenings and going school which pleased me and i gave a book and pen to write and learn which gave me a lot of happiness i felt that India will overcome the line of poverty.

thank your idea is great Sir,Ionce again thank you Sir.

Vishnuvardhan

seetaram hebbar Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I agree with what you have to say on this topic but the point is you will pay to how many beggers? I stay at Miraroad(That’s in Thane district) and the moment I get out of rickshaw near the station and upto the railway platform I meet nearly 8 beggers minimum and I see the same faces EVERYday.
So I really don’t know how to react, the only thing I do is to ignore while thinking what can be done for the betterment of these kids who need help.
But to be very frank I don’t know.

yousuf ahmed Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

Will definetly try this time. Great thought

Kumar Rao Wrote:

Excellent Topic – Kudos ON a scale of 1-10 this deserves a 11

Giving someone something without an exchange is promoting crime !

The way I would define crime : no exchange or partial exchange.

Of course, it is ‘easy’ to donate than find some better solution(s), so they can be contributing members of the society…

That’s all I’ve to say as many has agreed with my viewpoint.

Kind regards,
Puneet Dhamija

hey rahul,
I am ankur. All the comments that u read on e-beggarism and ur attitude were mine. The one disowning them is not mine. So forget that..U have got ur Krishna nd Gita all wrong. The whole message of Krishna is to go beyond thought. As long as u r a slave of ur thoughtfulness u r a dumb unconscious person. Krishna is talking about the power of true mind. This true mind emerges when u r not identified with thought. The mind then is not muddled by thoughts .That clear mind has the characteristics of an ocean….It is vast, infinite and powerful like an ocean.And to go beyong thoughts u have to simply watch them without judging them. The “Sakshi bhav” the essence of Gita. take care.love ankur.

INDIAN BEGGARS SHOULD BE BETTER DRESSED,
Switzerland is the richest country in the world.Much richer than any other country. While i was moving in the streets of Zurich about two to three persons would come begging to me everyday. I felt flattered. It is not always that a gora comes begging to an indian.So i always obliged them. Most of these were probably immigrants and not natural swiss citizens. But the point is that u find beggars in the streets of Zurich and Bern. But these beggars were well dressed. They didn’t look like beggars.So life would be better in India if we have some dress code for the beggars. So that at least they dont look like beggars..love ankur.

Dear ankur

You have a very bad habit of wandering from point in discussion.
I asked you, “what is your reaction to shloka VIII-6 of Bhagwad Gita?”
Read that particular shloka and it’s interpretation “only”.
I have not written that shloka VIII-6 of Bhagwad Gita.
By your interpretation of “whole message of Krishna”, and “shloka VIII-6 of Bhagwad Gita”, it seems that Lord Krishna was contradicting himself like Prerna and You do.
Next time try to be more precise and specific in your replies.
I know it’s hard task for you, but give it a try.

Thanks and regards
Rahul

P.S. Krishna or Bhagwad Gita is not going to change my thought process about beggars and begging, i wrote that shloka in response to your comments from “Gita” in support of your arguments.

@ ankur

Dear ankur

Thanks for letting us know that there ARE beggars in Switzerland, the richest country in the world.Much richer than any other country.
It clearly shows that Begging is a habit, it has nothing to do with poverty.
By the way there are “rich” habitual beggars in our own country india also, like those who demands dowry in the marriages of their sons.
And most importantly, they conformed to your standards of dressing also, they are most well dressed “beggars” in our society.
But from my side i give SAME treatment to both “filthy beggars” and “well dressed beggars”.
And they can not complain about that, because you know very well that.
BEGGARS CAN NOT BE CHOOSERS.

Regards
Rahul

ON DOWRY,KRISHNA,PRERNA AND ANKUR
Dear Rahul,
Its always a pleasure to hear from U. My respect for u has increased after knowing ur anti-dowry attitude. But please dont insult begging by likening dowry to it. Dowry is a crime. It can be likened to terrorism. Where the daughter’s family is terrorized by the fact that if they dont pay dowry nobody will marry their daughter. In a lighter vein it can also be likened to robbery, blackmailing or a social racket. That is why it is a crime under law. While beggary is not. A beggar never threatens u or blackmails u. Dont insult the poor beggars by likening them to our Indian bridegrooms and their parents. ….By the way the only message of Krishna is to grow in awareness and love. The same message underlies all the shlokas of gita. Dont go on their face value. And u will find that neither Krishna nor Prerna or Ankur are contradicting themselves.take care .love ankur.

@Switzerland being the richest country in the world…how come?

Offshore haven, tax shelter, and shelter for black money…romping ground for tax evasion?

Grüazi miteinand! The Sweetest Escape…Sweetserland! lol

@ANKUR
Is it true that beggers are even well dressed there? Yeah, why not presenting all the luxury you have purchased by begging or dishonorable work – show your success! Wear your Dolce & Gabbana Shade and your Ed Hardy Shirt. People will be amazed and confused how much you achieved by just showing an open hand, ready to collect some money. What a great business!

The living standard of beggars varies from country to country… the richer a country, the richer the beggars? Is there a relation?

I never thought about this aspect, thank you for inspiration.

Maybe it´s better to borrow a beggar some money and ask him/her to pay it back after 1 week. Maybe he/she would learn what responsibility means…responsibility towards society.
They should learn to contribute anything to the community…apart from arousing compassion.

Begging is a complex and multifaceted problem that is most often caused by multiple and interrelated individual and structural deprivations.
There are clear associations between begging, homelessness, poverty, mental illness and drug dependency and inadequate access to housing, income support and health care services.

Although, begging has recently become a ‘hot topic’ for public debate and media commentary, it has received relatively little attention as a subject of legal, public or social policy research, analysis or design.

This is perhaps surprising, given that the occurrence, persistence and incidence of begging itself represents a failure of public and social policy.

Begging constitutes a ‘problem’, and the common public interest in responding to that problem.

Problem of Begging

Begging, or gathering alms, can be defined as the solicitation of a voluntary unilateral gift–most often money–in a public place.

This definition of begging encompasses various begging categories or ‘techniques’, including:

‘Passive begging’ (that is, sitting or standing in one place with a sign and/or a receptacle entreating donations),

‘Active begging’ (that is, approaching people in a public place and asking them for money or other gifts) and

‘Aggressive begging’ (that is, following or asking a person threateningly or repeatedly for money or other gifts).

The notion that begging is ‘offensive’ or constitutes a ‘problem’ has persisted since at least the 1800s.

—People engaged in begging themselves also recognized begging to be a ‘problem’:

‘Begging up money is very embarrassing but, I’ve got to live’.

—’If you’re living on the street, you don’t have an address, so you can’t get on the dole, and so basically that’s the only way to get money’.

Begging is recognized and cast as a ‘problem’ by diverse stakeholders, including the media, politicians, retailers and traders, law enforcement officers and agencies, welfare and social service providers, the general public and people who beg. Each of these stakeholders has a common interest in reducing the incidence of begging.

Causes of Begging

Despite its relevance and salience as an issue little research has been conducted internationally regarding the nature, extent, causes, and consequences of begging.

**People who beg are among the most marginalized, disadvantaged and disenfranchised in society.

The main reasons for begging include the inadequacy of social security payments (particularly having regard to the costs of housing, clothing, food and medical treatment), psychiatric disabilities and disorders, and drug, alcohol and gambling dependencies.

Begging is generally an activity of last resort—-a more acceptable means of satisfying immediate needs than resorting to other criminal activities such as theft, drug dealing, or prostitution.

Those engaged in begging say ” it’s a harsh necessity that is humiliating, demeaning, degrading & frustrating”.

Greetings,
Naddu

Dear ankur
Thanks for your compliments about my thoughts of dowry. But I don’t have any respect for beggars (Not poors). I have seen lots of successful people in life despite being poor (initially) and physically handicapped also.
I salute them, and they are always being a source of inspiration for me, you may say that they are “living Gita” for me.
When I compare these beggars with them, I don’t see by any stretch of imagination, any justification for “begging”.
Spreading hands in front of others for money is the only easiest and laziest thing which these beggars do, can you justify their act?
NO.
If I am wrong in my thinking, then please convince me with solid justification.
WE SHOULD NOT IN ANY WAY ENCOURAGE BEGGING.

Thanks and regards
Rahul

hi,
I think u are looking at the art of begging very romantically and with a single dimension. Noone and no reason can justify begging. There is no denying the fact that the children raised in poverty tend to have lower IQ and donot stand a chance in todays dog eat dog world. BUT BEGGING I beg to differ they have better physical strength and perseverance than most of our children. In any A/ B grade city of India today there is enough scope of manual labour. If begging is Child Labour, then it is better someof them work in ahome/ factory/ shop …. earn something and save something and have some chance of a future.
take care …. ajay

Dear Nadja,
I think switzerland still has the highest per capita income; the real measure of prosperity. You have to concede Switzerland is one of the most beautiful places in the world and the Swiss one of the nicest people.
A society by patronizing its beggars may prevent them from turning to petty crime. Which is more of a nuisance and trouble than begging. THe beggars are the marginal people whom the society has failed to integrate. They r like social leakages. A beggar suffers from low self-esteem. The next time u give alms to a beggar also try to treat him with a little more respect. That way he may one day give up begging.
And yeah u r right. We can start new economics. To measure a country’s standard of living and development by measuring the standard of living of its beggars.The richer the beggars, the richer the country. Begging Index! Wow! I see myself getting noble prize in economics for my work on begging index. Ofcourse i would give u credit.”To the woman who denied what i wanted, but gave me begging index.” Take care.keep writing .love ankur.

Dear ankur

Please tell us, exactly how much respect should we give to beggars?
Should we say while giving them rupee or two that ” Sir/Madam, please kindly accept this little contribution from me and oblige me”.
or should we touch their feet and ask them to accept our alms?
From your writing it seems that person giving alms is a beggar not who is accepting it.
And for your work on begging index, you will definitely receive a noble prize in economics………provided all members of selection committee are…….beggars.
But ankur from your and Prerna’s opinions and writing about beggars here, one thing is sure, both of you have nothing to do with beggars and directly or indirectly you are making fun of them.
Next time i will use quotes from your and Prerna’s writing, to defy you.
That’s a promise.

Regards
Rahul

Hi Prerana,
Its really true.if these people start working then they will be happy and live life easily.I think we all need to raise our voice in overcoming such problems.

Regards,
Sabnis

Setu Goyal Wrote:

lolllllllllzzzz….yes we should all try and make fun of the beggars…indeed we should…here are some reasons why…

1. Beggars are not choosers…seems this adage no longer holds true…for if you, out of your concern and sympathy, try and shell out 1-2 rupee/s’ coin these days..most of them would look at you top to bottom and make such grave faces, as if, they are doing us a favor by accepting that money…ya ya…i know..its recession and all…and things are becoming expensive by the day…how’d he survive with just 1 buck…but then…ain’t sumone sometime said..beggars are not choosers??

2. The second point we should have a laugh is to be aware of the fact, that most beggars consider begging, as their profession..they’d never try or want to do some laborious work to earn their bread, as we’d expect them to do..the reason, they earn more begging…and how..by just sitting near some footpath and wailing to their heart’s content..i tell u…sum of them could even be considered as lead roles in the upcoming big banner movies!!!

3. Another reason is credited to the new and upcoming generation of two types of beggars, 1st..who have turned into some spiritual monks..like shukr baba, shani baba and tantriks and all those sorts..extorting money in the name of God..and the other kind, who have either lost or been robbed of all their stuffs, so they always need some 500-600 bucks to return to their native place..many, can be fooled into this because of the rhetoric English they speak with!!

4. The last reason is that these people have lost their will to lead a good life…you know what..there’s no such term as a “disabled” person these days…cos every one, (including me and you) are “Differently – Abled”…so even if a poor person is minus his limbs, if he has the tenacity, the world hold no bounds for him!!

And no…I even havn’t done a Post grad course in beggary…but this is something, from the eyes of a common Indian, as we see it, and have been, right since we gained senses!!!

@rahul
I may not be right the very first time. But I have a nice quality. I am humble and RESPECT others views even when DEFYING.

@ Aussie

Yeah, you may be right in saying that you have nice quality, and you are humble and RESPECT others views even when DEFYING.
But dear, even when you RESPECT others views, you are STILL DEFYING it.
It’s a fact, only difference is in approach.
Like begging is a begging, whether you do it aggressively or submissively.
Same with murder…..whether you do it with RESPECT or without RESPECT.
Punishment is SAME in both cases, judge will not consider your approach towards murder while sentencing you.

Thanks and regards
Rahul

P.S. I hope this time i am humble and respectful while passing my comments, please don’t expect more respect than this.

Dear Rahul

Yeah, you may be right in saying that
Even when I RESPECT others views, I may sometimes STILL DEFY it.
It’s a fact, only difference is in approach.

Like philanthropy is a philanthropy, whether one does it publicly or in secrecy without making a big news about it.
Same with doctor saving a life, whether he does his profession without RESPECT or with RESPECT.
End result is same in both the cases, but people like the person more based on the approach followed.

Thanks for your respect,
Aussie

P.S. I neither support begging nor made fun of beggars.

Dear Aussie

I don’t agree with you on “people like the person more based on the approach followed.”
Nobody bothers about the approach, but everybody is interested “only” in results.
For example doctor who doesn’t give any respect to his/her patients, but is very talented in his profession, then people will definitely prefer him/her over doctor who is less intelligent but give more respect to his/her patients.
I don’t know about you, whether you give more importance to result or approach.
Now don’t give me diplomatic answer that you give importance to both.
Choose only one option……….result or approach.

Thanks and regards
Rahul

P.S. Same……..I also neither support begging nor made fun of beggars.

Dear Rahul

I don’t agree with you on “Nobody bothers about the approach, but everybody is interested “only” in results.”
The example was doctor who is capable of saving life. I would prefer a doctor who respects his profession even if he is not very intelligent (It requires some intelligence to become a doctor!).
You don’t have the right to foce others to choose only one option……result or approach just because choosing both looks diplomatic to you.
I hope you got my point (loud and clear).

Regards
Aussie

Dear Aussie

Yeah, i got your point (loud and clear).
Your answer IS diplomatic.
Let’s continue with your example of doctor.
All qualified doctors in this world will agree with me on my following statements.
Professional doctor is supposed to save life of his/her patient, not oblige to give respect them(giving respect to patient is optional not compulsory).
Forget about respect surgeons in operation theater do not even give chance to utter a single word to his patient on the operation table by giving him anesthesia.
Dear Aussie you may be going to your doctor for getting respect from him/her, not everybody else.
Majority of people visit doctor’s clinic to get treated.
And my dear Aussie this is called loud and clear message.
Let any qualified doctor come and challenge my statements.

Regards
Rahul

@ Aussie

One MISTAKE at your post “Aussie wrote: June 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pm”
You wrote:
“I would prefer a doctor who respects his profession even if he is not very intelligent (It requires some intelligence to become a doctor!).
-Aussie
Dear every doctor is and should give respect to his/her profession of medicine.
I was talking about “professional expertise of a doctor over his/her giving respect to patients”.(in my post Rahul wrote dated June 25th, 2009 at 12:10 pm)
Refer it again.
Always read carefully before you give reply to any post.

Regards
Rahul

Dear Rahul,

Thanks for your reminder “Always read carefully before you give reply to any post”. There was indeed a mistake in my earlier post.
There was a “r” missing in “force” in my earlier post. I hope not to repeat such mistakes.

Regards
Aussie

Dear Aussie

Not only “r” missing in “force” in your earlier post, but “brain” is also missing from your head.
But you can’t rectify that mistake, keep going without b“r”ain.

Regards
Rahul

Dear Rahul

Even this comment, defies your own statements.

Regards
Aussie

Dear Aussie

You have “Same” bad habit of dodging a point in discussion and wandering some where else. Just like Prerna Gupta and Ankur.
I specifically pointed out, One MISTAKE at your post “Aussie wrote: June 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pm”, in my post Rahul wrote dated June 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am.
Despite that you replied like a silly person, saying that there was a spelling mistake of “r” in your earlier post.
By writing this you “dodged” my main point.
Anyway, take the help of Prerna and Ankur, re-read my post, Rahul wrote dated June 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am, apply your collective “brain power” and then reply.
I am not in hurry…………..take your own time.

Regards
Rahul

prerna we r waiting for ur next post.love ankur

Dear Prerna

ankur is right, we r waiting for ur next post, but sans loopholes, because as usual i am going to analyse your post critically.
All the best.

Regards
Rahul

Dear Rahul

Analyse your own posts critically before advising others. If you try hard, you may get answer to your questions in my posts.

Regards
Aussie

Dear Aussie

I am analysing my own post critically before advising others.
Secondly, why should i TRY hard to get answer to my questions in your posts?
can’t you be more specific and have a direct approach?
Always talk in direct speech, not indirect speech.
Now will you please give answer to my questions in a simplified manner, assuming that i have a IQ lesser than YOU.
Please try it.

Regards
Rahul

Dear Aussie

You seem to be as loyal as ankur towards Prerna Gupta.
Good.
Because i gave advise to Prerna Gupta regarding loopholes in her post and you came for her defence.

One more advice to Prerna Gupta (of course unsolicited)
“If you have a friend who always agree with you even if you are wrong, then you need not have a separate enemy”

Dear Aussie please continue with your loyalty.

Regards
Rahul

Dear Rahul

First of all, thanks that you read my comments & felt bound to write on it.

Qn:why should i TRY hard to get answer to my questions in your posts?
Qn:can’t you be more specific and have a direct approach?
An:If your questions are not direct and specific, you may have to TRY hard to get the answer.
It is not IQ which matters most to try here but EQ.

I know Prerna Gupta just like you, only through the blog posts. I have few more quotes in addition to yours.
“If you have a friend who always agree with you even if you are wrong, then you need not have a separate enemy”
“If you have a friend who disagrees with you when you are wrong, you have a good friend”
“If you havae a friend who doesn’t let you down in front of others when the going is not good, you have a TRUE friend”

This is a reply from my heart & there is no purpose to attack your character. I respect your individuality & you may follow your own agenda. It’s your life aftervall! Since you

suggested that I reply, I have done it. For me, this topic is closed here & here only.

Regards
Aussie

Dear Aussie

Thanks for everything.

For respecting my individuality, for allowing to follow my own agenda and appreciating that it’s my life after all.
Thanks also for giving reply in compliance to my suggestion.
For me, this topic never started properly, so question of closing here & here only doesn’t arise.

Regards
Rahul

hey prerna dear where r u..we r waiting for ur next post.take care.love ankur

she got a job?

hey naddu ,pleasure to hear from u. The link between us, Prerna, is missing. Is she okay? What do u mean by she got a job.take care.love ankut.

arre Ankur, what Naddu means is that Prerna probably got ANOTHER job, is that right Naddu?!!?!?

Harit, you are right! :)

Warm greetings from Germany,
Naddu

hi.. prerna,
extraordinary article. noteworthy words.
as far as my knowledge extends i find that most of these beggars apart from 1 or 2 % are professionals. They just are non-tax payers and having high earning(better than those having white collared jobs). They have a tendency to form networks and also define areas.

hey naddu it always a pleasure to hear from u. i thought i will never hear from u again. How r u? oK PRERNA got another job but why she stopped blogging completely. is she that busy…love ankur

Hello Ankur,

I´m very well thank you, 3 weeks ago I visited your beautiful country. Where were you, also tried to swim on Delhi roads? ;) lol
Nice to hearing from you as well. I don´t know what happened to her, I also don´t understand this way of carelessness. I just hope she doesn´t intentionally neglect her duty…and if, lets pray for her.
Warm greetings,
Naddu

hey naddu u came to India and u did not tell me..hey lady i m in Delhi only..u see my email is achandraaa@gmail.com…oh how much i wanted to meet u..the next time u come please inform me and i m not the rogue that i sound through this blog. It will always be a genuine pleasure for me to be ur host…as for prerna, finally she has updated her status on twitter…i think she is well…nd i m too very disappointed with her abrupt break from yaari..and at a time when the blog was getting such a good response…the response to prerna’s blog has been even better than Amitabh Bachchan’s blog…take care..love ankur.

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