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Response to Attacks on My Moral Character

It is difficult to respond with calmness and dignity to comments that unjustly attack one’s moral character, support oppression and violence and are generally inane and baseless. It is disheartening to read these sorts of comments, as it shows how far we have yet to go. We are indeed two Indias, and the repressive India seems to be the larger. Perhaps blogging on these topics is pointless, as many of you have said to me, but I still feel that I must try. If even I cannot sustain the heart and courage to fight back, then who will?

So, let me respond, point by point, to the major themes of the verbal attacks directed towards me in my previous post:

[DISCLAIMER:  To those of you who do not agree with drinking but gave graciously tolerant remarks in support of women's rights, this response is not at all directed towards you. I appreciate your tolerance and respect your views.]

ATTACK 1: I am not fit to be an Indian woman

This line of attack smacks of the same mentality that drives Ram Sene to commit acts of violence against women. If a woman drinks, she is considered a whore. No questions asked. Doesn’t matter what the men are doing, of course, because men can do whatever the hell they want. But women must uphold our backwards ideals of chasteness and purity. And these archaic ideals of purity are tied to religion, so that is ALL the justification we need. And, in the name of RELIGION? Well, we can do whatever we god damn please. We can even kill women who dare to be unchaste and drink a beer with the boys…sound familiar to you? Sounds a lot like religious terrorism to me.

When I said I don’t have shame drinking in front of my aunts and uncles, it is because I do not think it is fair that my uncles are allowed to drink, but my aunts are not. Why should I feel shame for demanding gender equality? I do not. If my husband drinks, I drink. If I do not drink, he does not drink either.

ATTACK 2: I am harming my body and brain by drinking

Of course no one bothered to ask how often / much do I drink.  People just assumed that if I drink I must be abusing alcohol like a dirty old man who gets drunk every night and comes home and beats his wife. For your information, I drink very moderately and quite infrequently (much less than the recommended amount of one glass per day).

Maybe you haven’t heard the news, but studies have repeatedly shown that drinking moderate amounts of alcohol is GOOD for your health. So, sorry to disappoint, but the ‘not good for you’ argument is just plain wrong.

Note that I haven’t said to you, “you are harming your health by not drinking, so please start drinking.”

ATTACK 3: Women should not dress provocatively, because it will incite men’s animal instincts

How many of the people who made this comment have seen a Bollywood movie in the past year? My guess is the answer is 100%. When you watch Priyanka bounce around in a tight dress, do you not feel your so-called animal instincts being stimulated? If you don’t, then you certainly wouldn’t be stimulated by me doing the same thing, because I am not more attractive than she. And, if you do, then why do you voluntarily go watch her? No one is forcing you. Or, is it Priyanka’s fault for doing it? Yes, that must be it. Priyanka is a manipulative whore who forces all Indian men to be “stimulated” against their will.

You might be wondering why, if I myself dress like Priyanka, did I make my post about Bollywood Porn below? The reason is that I think Bollywood is an outgrowth of our sexual repression. Men like you will excoriate me for wearing a revealing dress, but will go in hoards to watch Priyanka do it. Moreover, many of you won’t appreciate a movie that does not showcase a well-endowed woman bouncing around half-naked (see comments to my post about Slumdog). Bollywood has become pornographic because there is DEMAND for it. It is the hypocracy that bothers me, not Priyanka’s dress.

Note that only a small fraction of Hollywood movies have the same level of soft porn that 99% of Bollywood movies do. Why? I thought American culture is profligate and Indian culture is chaste…

ATTACK 4: Drinking and sex are not Indian

Read, my friends. Read the tales from our ancient texts. You are deluding yourselves. Sex is CELEBRATED in our traditions. I pity the repressed fools who think sex is not Indian. You will also find references to Ram and Sita drinking wine together (before having sex). And, as one of our more astute commentors, Nadeem Khan, noted:

“Can you tell me how many Ram Sena and other Sena group members don’t drink alcohol. My dear, do you know the percentage of consumption of alcohol in Indian Army and other departments? Grow up.. stop behaving as kid.
To respect elders there is no specific dress code, we can respect elders in wearing jeans/shorts and as well as in wearing shalwar kurta.
Personally I am in favor of preserving culture and against drinking BUT I can’t dictate anyone.”

Btw, did you know that pornography is one of the largest sources of Internet revenue in India? I’m sure many of you know that from personal experience…

ATTACK 5: Pink Chaddis are vulgar

You mean, pink chaddis make you feel uncomfortable? Yes, that’s because you are sexually repressed. And I’m sure Ms. Nisha took that into account when she planned her ingenious protest. Making an oppressor feel uncomfortable is the point of a peaceful protest.

ATTACK 6: I must be a Muslim in disguise

This is actually an older attack in response to my call for unity. I am assuming by now you are all sufficiently convinced that I do not have any hidden religious agendas, as I do not imagine any Muslim fundamentalist would advocate a woman drinking and going to pubs (please correct me if I am wrong, and I will be happy to provide further proof of my secularism).

p.s. for those who were wondering, the picture of the white chaddis with pink polka dots is not me. it’s a Victoria’s Secret model.

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290 Responses to “Response to Attacks on My Moral Character”

Hi Prerna, Greetings.

I have been following your blogs and I am really happy to see your honesty and open mindness in your blogs.

Don’t worry about what people say. There is something called as a cultural difference and these days we call it “mentality difference”.

It is still hard for most “Men” to accept changes around and see women talking equality and whats in their mind.

I support your blog (apart from the fact you were my Junior) because its true ! If someone has problems, then they need help.

My Response to people who are attacking your blog:

ATTACK 1: I am not fit to be an Indian woman

What criterion decides an Indian women? Please let me know too.
First define what an Indian mean to you? and then What is a Women to you?
Then let me also know who told you all this ?? Your Indian parents? Your Indian friends, Americans or you are a self taught individual (read it as “you need help”)

ATTACK 2: I am harming my body and brain by drinking
It’s Prerna’s personal matter and choice. If you are not her well wisher then do not comment on what a lady does or not.
Strangely, No one tells such things to guys .. hmmm .. i wonder why?

ATTACK 3: Women should not dress provocatively, because it will incite men’s animal instincts
I will say, men who cannot control their animal instincts should either be shoot in public or locked in jails … people who cannot control their instincts are like animals roaming freely on streets.
But, yes be it men or women, they should both be dressed properly, as per occasion in public.

ATTACK 4: Drinking and sex are not Indian
hmm .. who told you that Mr Xyz …. Any pointers as to how we are world’s second largest populated country? hmmm … i wonder how ?

By the way, if you had done little research into Indian history then you will realize that over years we were influenced and ruled by different cultures. So, what we see today is a mix effect and restrictions for all cultures. So attackers, first figure out your true roots and then tell someone anything.

ATTACK 5: Pink Chaddis are vulgar
Hieeee … i never saw that way before it was pointed out … I thought it as a sign of protest and nothing more … i agree with Prerna here that you are sexually repressed, you need some help :)

Keep blogging Prerna :) you rock !

Regards

ASITABH PAUL Wrote:

Enligtening! Pls do not drive when drunk.

Hello prerna this raghav, i am quiet impressed the way how you posted the current issues , i accept with your views andi do possess the same thought process like how you have. It is true that the we are being possessed by the ancient custons and cultures and always the elders talk of some thing good and great showing only one side of the coin. You plz continue posting.

Sunil Vaidya Wrote:

I have been reading the numerous comments posted on the blog by different people.There are a few who are dead against your comments or rather you.

I have neither met you nor I know much about you. But, when you express yourself so openly, there is always the fear that you are taken for granted. To be more precise, the male fraternity will generally presume that “‘You are available”. I am sure that is not true.

Pl do not mind what I write hereafter.

There is a class of people in our society, especially in big cities like Mumbai & Delhi, where the women like to show that they are equal to men & fullt liberated. They show it off at every occasion they come across. Unfortunately, this has now reached even to the middle class to which I belong. Women going out, becoming finalcially independent is surely a sign of a good & developing society. But, when things go out of control, it is a cause of worry. See certain common examples.

Call center girls. It is a must that, you occasionally go out, be with other boys or girls & smoke. Smoking in full view of public is “Liberation”.

Wear clothes of any kind. They may show your top or booton clevage. Don’t bother. That’s “Liberation”.

Go to a mall or to a movie in multiplex with yout boyfriend. Keeo “stuck” to him anywhichway, do not bother about people around you. That’s “Liberation”.

Ok. Most of these girls are not highly educated. They are there as they can possibly speak in better english then others. But, this aspect is common among the so called highly educated professionals as well. The other day, I was passing by the H O of ” The Statesman”, Kolkatta’s popular English Daily. A group of four was standing downstairs which had a nice looking woman, in 3 piece suit & smoking profusely. They must have been from the editer’s team. All bloody show!

Now, you must be feeling that I am a male chauvinistic pig. It’s not so. Girls may smoke. But why not within certain limits of decency? They may have boyfriend (S). But, why not take care so that they do not kake others feel awkward? One has to talk of girls first because that’s where the drastic change is coming & that too, rapidly.

A simple question. When you become a mother & come across a girl smoking in public,or showing her clevages & your child sees it & asks you a question about it, will you tell him / her that it’s “Liberation” & that he / she should also strive to achieve it while growing up?

Hope you understand my feelings. Probably, I am thinking more about this because I am father of a girl who has just entered her teens. As parents, we have always tried to instil good values in her. But the fact is that, in the lifestyle today, she spends more time outside that what she gets with us. So, I do not know who can influence her more. May be, I am venting those emotions which, at this stage, my daughter may not understand.

Thanks for this opportunity,Prerna. You have given me “Prerna” to come out & speak.

Reagrds
Sunil

hi prerna ,, it is nice to be stand right beside of man and say system of euility, but make sure woman r woman and men r men , somehow somewhere women r best even GOD says it self. have u ever went to europe/states any english country, they r more keen to adopt the culture of india. i also like the comment of mr sunil wrote. prerna be open , but not as like open book to every body. (u can understand my meaning).
regards—rj

Prerna,

I dont always agree with what you say. However, this being a democracy, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, you and me included.

Firstly let me tell you that consumption of alcohol is never good. No qualified doctor has ever advised drinking even moderate amounts. And as far as studies go, there is a conflicting report coming out everyday on the subject. So they are inconclusive, to say the least. However having said that, I must admit that a lot of things other than alcohol harm the body, junk foods being one of them, and since there is never any objection to the consumption of the same, I dont see why there should be any objection against alcohol. It is the individual’s call at the end of the day. And if the individual becomes a menace after drinking, then 100 is there to be dialed.
And I totally agree with you when you say that a woman has equal rights to drink as a man. Those who use health or morals as an arguement against this, well, drinking doesnt boost a man’s health or morals either.
As far as dressing in public is concerned, I personally believe that if a person dresses like a clown, he will be called one. Similarly if one dresses like a whore, she will be called one too. Having said that, I will also admit that I am nobody to decide upon the standards. Obscenity is defined in no uncertain terms as per the Indian Penal Code, and that is the yardstick we must follow. And in case of any violation, it is the police that should take action. We have no place for self-proclaimed moral police.
And while your post on Hindu Muslim unity is good, I feel it is too idealistic in today’s circumstances. There are muslims who still dont consider India as their motherland. The overwhelmig support for the terrorists killed in the Batla House encounter and the Pakistan flags in the slums of Mumbai betrays this fact. These things need to be acknowledged and resolved before we can think of the state of utopia you suggest. Having said that, my intentions are not to attack the community. We have muslims in the security forces, in our educational system, in our bureaucracy, every where in fact, toiling away just like every one else to lead a normal life. Most of them have nothing to do with the evils I mentioned.
But this is only my opinion. There are bound to be differences. But then, that is democracy.
And Prerna, dont even think of stopping, go on. It feels good to know that somebody somewhere has the courage to voice her opinion in a rational manner.

Regards

Prerna … i do fully agree with you ..just you are living exactly what you want ..its a gift and very very few only can express and live like this … if you are not harmful to anyone ..you can do whatever you wish .. yes drinking is also not a bad habit to proffessionally strained persons .. you are taking that just like a medicine (no problems at all with one peg a day) … problem is most of the mens are thinking they are the patents to alchohal ( indian culture) … you can take it as a EGO problem ..i will tell you this in a expample of master(mens) ..student ( womens) ..
Master : asked to one student to tell one sentense in english

Student : I is the …………..

Master: objected without comlpletion his sentense … is never comes before the I

Student : I is the 9th letter in english alphabets

Master : punished the student to satisfy his EGO but student know that what he said is right …
Let me know How many masters and students are here ?? … solution will come always try to solve from otherend……..

Dear Prerna,
For some time I’m recieving your posts – and have not unsubscribed – as I liked what you are doing. We talk of liberation but still follow Double Standards. You can’t help it and I doubt it will ever happen. Whether male/female or anything else, the Double Standards are going to be a part of life. Education gives us understanding and tolerance. You can’t help people disagreeing but if it is in accepted terms and within decorum it is ok. Let them say what they feel like – it only reflects their thinking. You are doing a great job, writing about what you feel is right and standing upto it. I may not agree to all of it but I’ll stand by your right of freedom of speech and will difinetely like to respect the other point of view. Just believe in yourself and continue doing what is dear to you. Nothing else matters.

Dear Prerna:

You guys dont understand politics and politically motivated journalism. Nisha is full time employee of Tehalka, which have one point agenda of supporting Congress and finding way to defame BJP and VHP.
so why pink chaddi, cause VHP people are lots of time are called ‘chaddi wale’ derogatorily. So VHP who have nothing to this event and BJP who have taken extreme action against RAM Sene (well done, goons like Ram Sene should be treated this way only) is being target by Miss Neha Susan and Tehalka.
What you are doing is just playing by their game. I enjoy valentine day but entertaining Ms. Neha idea, sorry I don’t do that. Let her boyfriend play with her pink panty and entertain her.
p.s. since you start drinking as teenager, I think you were doing illegal work (according to constitution of India) and you should have been sent to baal sudhar grah.
Related to wearing short dresses, I find it fun (specially for men), and little fun doesn’t kill anybody.

Shantanu

and best wishes for yaari.

Good to see you are still there. I hope you will initiate messaging services soon.

Best Regards
Shantanu Chauhan

Very good…you are really in the right direction…! Oh my God who wouldnt want a girl like that in your life…[coz who wouldnt want to make a hell of your life] very enlightening article…keep it up…

Dear prerna…you have got it all wrong…dont get me wrong..i m not an MCP!! If they boys drink it doesnt mean that everyone of them drinks[I dont drink]…and you dont have to sustantiate your drinking habits by equating it with gender equality…i personally consider drinking is bad.. i want to tell a lot more..but dont have time now… ;)

Ross Robertson Wrote:

She is totally right where I come from in Canada women & men are treated equally and sould be we are both equals & know one is better than the other & the same laws are for both men & women & it should be that way for sure. We are no better than they are as they are no better than we are & people who can’t see that are hypercrits & losers

Hi,
I want to support the pink chaddi movement, (without knowing what it is), just because you support, and you are a woman of substance, is what i feel by going through your article(s);
Keep it up;

Regards
Som Panda

Nicely done miss……..congrats u r impressive……….

Virendra Arya Wrote:

dear prerna
iam agree with you no one have right to attacks moral character of women.now we are leaving in 21st century time has changeman women should walk join shoulder to shoulder in our socity their are people they dosent want to leave pecefully or to other leave pecefully that is human nature we cant change we have to leave your own yes one thing i can tell if you leaving with family if they dosent alowe few thing then we have to obey their order in this century all are free if you have moderate amount of alchol then their is no harm iam also drink twice week . but now days women object that alchol harm ourhealth. that is wrong.
if you take alchol in limit their no harm. but i want to ask one question why family object to take alchol.
please reply
v.arya

Dinshaw Dastur Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I completely agree with you as far as gender equality goes, and a women has a right to drink just like any man—but in this issue of Mangalore, please do your research. The women who were there were all hookers and they were just not drinking but soliciting—just like you hear like lap dance in a nude bar as in western countries. In India that will never be allowed—but the trend is going in that direction.It is not uncommon that Indians gape and copy what is worst that goes on in west—especially moral issue. As you will observe more and more Homo/Lesbian movies will be made now in India—after Dostana.That is the trend and it will continue as Indian moral society will stoop further down and down to gutters.

Now coming to Ram Sena—they are supposed to be a moral vigilante of India—but God alone knows what their men are doing on the quiet.They will do what they feel right to fulfil their sexual urges, but would raise a storm if women does anything like that—after all India is a land of Ram and Sita—but for man anything and everything is possible but it is altogether different for women—absolute chauvinistic approach.
These same people as Shiv Sena have goondas who are extracting money in Mumbai from traders who sell Valentine day cards—but would still themselves indulge in quiet dating and sex.This is hypocrisy of man in India, and our poor Maharashtrian Govt will always remain silent and do nothing where Shiv Sena is involved who also has police in their pockets.

All this hypocrisy and moral vigilante must end. It all started with organizations like Jan Sangh or BJP—or Bajrang Balis who burnt Christians shack cottages and churches all in the name of Hinduism, when a poor PASTOR WILL TAKE A BEATING BUT WILL NOT RETALIATE. This is as far as Hindu radicals are concerned—-but even other civilized Hindus remained silent when Christians were attacked in Orrissa, UP,Jharkhand, and in other states.Did you raise hue and cry about the fate of Christians who were massacred.
Ask your conscience ?

Our constitution is very clear on freedom of speech, religion etc etc—but these goons will always attack Christians, just because a Christian is a witness for the Lord, even though there is no coercion and hand pulling, which was practised by hell bound Catholics in past years.If you feel hurt on what happened in Mangalore—then speak up also for atrocities commited by Hindus against Christians.

Would love to hear from you.

Regards

kalpeshbakhai bakhai Wrote:

hi prerna,
i am kalpesh bakhai,from mumbai,i strongly support ur movement this ram shena or what ever the ravan sena has done such a disguisting event as in india,men and women are respected are equal levels at this generation age women also have equal rights to attend the disco pubs and dance i strongly support ur moment,it was a bravo move,keep it up,let young generation of india win against all this foolish senas of india.jai hind.

I love your character

Pankaj Adhikari Wrote:

hai hello
i it was quite impressive how you all show the gandhi giri way to show your anger to the purports and actions of the Sri Ram Sene group
and
i it was quite different.

Hi! Prema

It is sad that people behave this way. Please take a look at my take on religon

http://veekaysmusings.blogspot.com/2009/02/theism-or-religion-this-isnt-being.html

VK

It is really a bad problem with few Indian communities. They don’t have anything to do in there life so they come up and start interfering in others life. It is true we are living in democratic country where every one has right to live as they want and no one is allowed to interfere in that. They are calling themselves Ram Sene, I believe if Ram see all this happening he will feel bad.

hey prerna hope all is well with u……

my response…..which idiot said that sex is not indian?????? either that fool is not indian him or herself or doesnt know his or her history…..i would like to enlighten them that the KAMASUTRA originated in this country……and dear xyz if sex isnt indian please tell me why we are second most populated country in the world…..as far as the ram sena is concerned they are a bunch of insecure men and for all u know could be closet homosexuals…..they cant see a woman have fun and enjoy herself but when it comes to men they have no problems…hmmmm i wonder what certain peoplein the society would have to say about that.
u doing a good job atleast it brings things to light and people who like to hide behind their mommys skirts and refuse to accept change…..WAKE UP CAUSE CHANGE IS HERE TO STAY. ACCEPT IT OR BE TERMED AN ANTIQUE.

u take care prerna

Prashant Kulkarni Wrote:

Hi Prerna!
Keep it up! What you consume is not that important. Important are your feelings. If you feel good everything is fair. Follow what your heart says & what you really like. Nothing brings happiness if it is just for show off.
Hi Teja!
very nisely said in few words. Only thing I object is you generalised all men to be Master & women to be student which is not true. Master in your short storey is a hypocrat, who don’t like to see anything wrong on his part & will always blame others.
How any women are liberal enough to accept suggestions from men in their beliefs/ personal area? Our view always look true to us. But these difference of openion makes thing more interesting & debatable!
Keep it up!
Prashant Kulkarni

Prashant Kulkarni Wrote:

How many women instead of How any women………slip of character!

raj merchant Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

Basically all these Ram Sene guys and others of their ilk are plain and simple goondas, plain and simple lumpen elements. They don’t deserve to have their psyches analysed and one needn’t really waste time on that. If our government wasn’t impotent they would have put all these clowns behind bars so fast it would have deterred others from trying anything like that against women. Unfortunately we have goondas heading our government so what can you expect. Unfortunately other incidents will also take place and yet nothing will happen to the perpetrators. That is the price we have to pay for living in India.

Dear Prerna,
How are you dear? First kudos to you for your efforts through this blog. Your platform has succeeded in creating a dialogue, a plane where ultra-conservatives and liberals meet. As a fellow-liberal, I can also say that we have won this pink-chaddi round. Against the so called conservatives and custodians of culture. We have won because we have substance.And they have nothing except their perverted mindset and violence. And through this the same people have curbed the freedom of the individual and the women.
But I do have certain reservations. I am not happy with the defence that you seemed to have given in defence of the moral character. Though I also feel that part of it comes from your sensitivity of not hurting anybody, even your detractors and people who abuse you. But Prerna the only way to fight the fanatics everywhere is to hit them below the belt. That is the only language that they understand. If you dont castrate them they would proliferate as weeds.
Barrack Obama in his presidential address said that nothing is above the freedom of the individual. And I say the same here. If for that we have to sacrifice some culture, some religious edict, let it be so. The individual is the only reality. All else is just a myth.Statistics. Nothing else.
And Prerna please dont accept any limit on alcohol or anything. You see once you define the limit, the next attempt of the moral police would be to narrow down the limit. If anybody things that alcohol is dangerous for health. Good. He can propogate the message in a peaceful manner. Like the government does it. But nobody has the right to force people not to drink alcohol because it is dangerous for their health. It is my life. And as I have the right to live, so do I have the right to death. I have the right to choose the way I die [if that be alcohol]. One thing I would point out to the alcohol police is that alcohol has been found harmful only in two cases. One is in the case of alcoholism. Now alcoholism is extreme addiction to alcohol;its physiological disorder. And alcohol carries less danger of addiction than tea. Secondly most liver failures and deaths in India, attributed to alcohol, is due to the hygienic, partially distilled country liquor.The desi daru served in haulis.And not due to whiskey or vodka .
You have made a beautiful point about the softporn in bollywood. Actually in many tribes in Jharkhand where there is compete sexual expression there have been no traces of pornography. Pornography is a byproduct of sexual repression. And I agree with Salman Rushdie when he says that hardcore pornography is very necessary for opening closed, repressed societies.
Sex for me, personally, is the most natural instinct. It is simply like say peeing. Now imagine if some goddamn religious guru starts saying that peeing or urinating is anti-religious. I think this attitude against sex and the sexual repression that followed has been the single biggest tragedy that stuck the human race.And now Deepak Chopra in his extensive research has claimed that all violence arises from sexual repression.The more sexually repressed a society is, the more violent it is.
Oh god once I start writing,I just dont stop. sorry. take care.continue writing.love ankur

Dear Mr Sunil Vaidya,
I feel bound to answer your questions. And If you read them ,please do reply back.
First there is no one limit for decency or anything. Every individual is unique. And so are his limits. So my limit of decency may be much wider than yours. And I should respect your limit and so should you. So dont prescribe one fixed limit for everybody.
I find woman who are overdressed repulsive. A woman’s body seems to me the most beautiful creation of God. And I waste no opportunity in admiring it when i get a chance. And I find skimpily clad woman [better, if totally nude] showing their cleavages to be just beautiful. And if someday i have a daughter like you, Mr Vaid, the only thing I will ensure is to give him full freedom. And freedom comes from knowledge. The best way to rear your child is to make him completely aware of the realities of the world. And what is wrong if my daughter asks me that what is a cleavage. I would tell her. Though I would better leave this task to her mother.As they are more comfortable with the daughters in issues of physicality. But I would tell her if she asks me what is a cleavage. What is wrong in that. God has given the two most beautiful pair of breasts to a woman. Mr Vaid if you have any problem go and fight with god.
I thing that uneducated prejudiced people cannot see my point. I only advice that u can be the best parent to your children only if you make them aware of everything.From cleavages to condoms to sex. The chidren have to live alone in the world.And it is the onus of the parents to educate them about every issue. Ans that’s why the emphasis on sexual education everywhere. Take care. warm regards. love ankur

Pranav Srivastava Wrote:

@Anirudha:
I totaly agree with you
@Prerna:
I agree with you on most of the points except for point #3 You said people like watching Priyanka wearing skimpy clothes in the movie, but do you see priyank wearing same clothes and moving around in PUBLIC…. no she does not…. which you justly said in ur closing lines.. its not about instigating animal instincts but it is also about certain decorum and decency that needs to be maintained in society.
I abhor scantily clad women as well as men dressed in overtly skimpier shorts and travelling bare chested…. in public, in your home or in your private parties, you are welcome to wear/not wear anything at all.
And everytime giving justification to your actions/words is also not correct, sometimes you should listen to others too and take whatever good is in their words.
People have been hyper critical to you, either proclaiming you as the Godess of womens liberation in India or demeaning you as morally corrupt and ethically as well as religiously finished woman.
Do not react to these extreme ends…. Coz those who hail u high may be the ones who will try to pull u down….. Coz i beleive action speaks louder than words and those who can do,those who cant, teach.

Cheers

Pranav

hi prerna

its really pitty that all of us accusing you because u raise your voice i am sorry on all behalf but i only have one question because what u said i never ever heared
what type of liquor is good for health and where u read it please i really ask it as a question i am not accusing or mocking you
thank you
MUHAMMAD JUNAID KHAN

Hi Junaid

As to your question, I would say that there are certain liquors which are good for health like beer and wine (wine is considered as one of the superfoods good for heart). But yes as it is said excess of everything is bad, liquors used in modertaion – one drink for women and a couple for men does have a radiant effect on our health.

The ethanol, a pure form of alcohol found in all types of alcoholic beverages, that makes the various libations good for you, but only in moderation. Studies have shown that ethanol can have a variety of positive effects on heart health such as raising HDL (the “good” cholesterol) levels, preventing dangerous blood clots, and allowing the blood to flow more smoothly throughout the body, which reduces the risk of heart attack and stroke.

Experts say the health benefits of wine, especially red wine, may have gotten the most attention in recent years because of the popularity of the so-called “French paradox.” The paradox refers to a study published several years ago that suggested that the French population’s passion for wine may be responsible for keeping their heart disease rates low despite their love of rich, fatty foods.

Since then, researchers have been trying to tease out what exactly in the wine seems to protect against heart disease and stroke. Studies have suggested that it may lie in the antioxidant-rich skins of the grapes used to make wine, but others have shown that antioxidants have little effect on heart health.

So, the point is that drinks have a posittive effect on our body but only if we take them in moderation like a medicine.

Hi Prerna

First of all I totally support you on the point that women should not be treated as any different from men. I today’s world we can not have different measuring bars for men and women. I’m sorry but most of the people doesn’t know that all the early civilizations be it Atlanteans, Egyptians, Norse, Greek/Romans and even Aryans had an equal, infact a higher position for women in their society where they were given rights to education, speech and even choosing their on mates as per their will. Best example for these are the ’swayamwars’ that were organised within Hinduism (Aryans), where a woman chose her groom on the basis of intelligence, strength, valour and political soundness.

As for drinking in all the above civilizations women drank the most exquisite and marvellous wines and liquors. There clothe were revealing and very provocative (as per the modern standards). I often say, “beauty lies in the eyes of a viewer and not the viewed”, and this holds true even to the evil and ugliness. We see and interpret things the way it pleases us. If it’s anyones fault it is ours and our primitive, closed and orthodox thinking.

According to me men have no right to dictate women what they should do or not, after all it is a women who is the means for our (men) existance.

Michael Terry Wrote:

I support you my friend. Hare Krishna

zaki rizvi Wrote:

prerna ur ideas are really fantastic great, keep it up.love u muaaah

Anand Shome Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
Keep up the fight to educate people about your point of view. I really believe that we need to rid ourselves of the many hang ups and double standards. For one evry time a man indulges in sex acts I would imagine a women is involved Right? So what is the fuss about. There are many more important things that affect our earth than wether some one should drink …
More soon
Anand

puneet badyal Wrote:

I m sorry to mention it, but wat i felt after readin ur post is that it reflects ur sheepish mentality. U d say that men r doin so , y cant women do that. Now thats no reason y women should go on boozing. Y not followin your own instincts? N most women dont jus drink that they like to, but just to look cool. N a drink a day keepin you healthy, the adverse effects it leaves in the long run cant b ignored. Just like tea n coffee.

ashwani bhat Wrote:

Prerna
hi
hu u doing.
am ashwani from doha.
Recently been getting ur mails ,sounds encouraging if we cud bring some broad mindedness /awareness in our society/country,Shudn’t be behaving and inheriting taliban style.
there is a saying,( kutaa apni galli main sheeir hota hai),that is what is happening there.
this mentality of self convenience on cost of others is that slavery/dictator inheritence,which will never go,even if our country will be super power any time.
it exactly justifies ur replies u have given to some the absurd and mentally sick views.
I been travelling working around globe since i was merely 22yrs,I am proud to be indian,but these sick minds when they travel outside hu they behave and mix them selves in kind of envoirment which they call back at home abnoxious or what ever.

it is very sadening to see and hear, hu it will influence new generation,which is future of india.
exactly similar minds who get elected to our parliament by cheating/depriving innocient souls in our country..whole world views them on national tv,hu they behave there for so called ppl cause.

Alas we don’t understand democracy,as is being viewed and persued as (might is right).
that is all what hu i can express my views,seeing and hearing what is happening there.

cheers

ash

First drinking is not issue.
An issue is drinking in front of your Mom, Dad, Aunt, or Uncle is not respecting.
I do drink in moderat, but I never drink in front of my parent. I’m not ashame of it….it’s just I respect my parent and I want to enjoy drinking without my parent compalining even though they don’t know how much I drink…People never asked they assume you abuse alochol it doesn’t matter if you woman or a man.

I think where you came from it is more like gender factor more then drinking issue.
I know it is sometime frustrating, but that’s your culture.
If only women of your culture stands up for their RIGHTs!!!
Instead of blogging and complain to us…there nothing you could to do beside just release your pressure out to us.
Let start a WOMEN RIGHTS ADVOCATE………….

Afzal Pervez Muhammad Afzal Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,
Don’t worry do Ur job and forget about those Dog’s who r barking I
can’t say more then that.
regards.

gautam singh Wrote:

hello prerna,
i appreciate ur efforts and ur concerns, as such i support ur views and feeling to the fullest and pledge to stand by u in ur abovementioned movement, so u can share ur views n feeling with me anytime and never hesitate to ask for any co-operation, it will be my pleasure, take care, god bless u. bye

Hi Prena..!! I’ve been recieving ur blogs recently and as soon as i started reading them i felt it was the voice of my heart..word left unspoken by me..I strongly belive that their is just no difference between men n women besides the phyiscal differences which i guess dont make any difference as long as both genders have got the same intellectual level.. people here trying to discourage you are mostly those who have enjoyed their life from the very start because of being men from very start..I mean they were born men..they are totallly satisfied with theirselves and their lives that’s why they dont want any change and revoultion in world..N they show hatred to those who want to n try to stop them..they i guess didn’t even once in their lives tried to think about what the women of our society has to face in her daily routine..women can’t dress up like they want to cuz its just men who are allowed to do all the fashion thing..I dont support nudity or vulgur dresses but if a woman dresses up smartly then as soon as she leaves the front door of her house she has people starring at her especially men as if she’s an alien..no one stares at men…women can’t go out anywhere because of insecurity caused by men…can’t do anything ..women especially are made conscious about their being a woman..they are made to think they are women not simply someone who exists ..has got a life gifted by God…
people trying to discourage you in any way are actually those who do not match your intellectual level..so u do not need to give up..commenting on a person like you with total freedom given makes them think they are at your intellectual level for a moment or two.. they dont even realize that how big n great effort you r doing n all for just humanity and to change wat’s wrong in to right..atleast its an effort from ur side..they just want to stick to whatever they think and feel popular in this way and they will never try to know if what they think is even right..??
you are intelligent..your thoughts are result of your observations while people who want to stop you or discourage you in any way their thougts are based on in what their own selves are comfortable in..
I totally belive n suupport u prena..
luv ya..

I like what ankur has to say in replying to Mr sunil vadya ..I completely agree with him when he says..”First there is no one limit for decency or anything. Every individual is unique. And so are his limits. So my limit of decency may be much wider than yours. And I should respect your limit and so should you. So dont prescribe one fixed limit for everybody.”
Please pay attention to this cuz what he has to say about different individual limits is actually exactly right..

I also like when he says “And if someday i have a daughter like you, Mr Vaid, the only thing I will ensure is to give him full freedom. And freedom comes from knowledge. The best way to rear your child is to make him completely aware of the realities of the world. And what is wrong if my daughter asks me that what is a cleavage. I would tell her. Though I would better leave this task to her mother.As they are more comfortable with the daughters in issues of physicality. But I would tell her if she asks me what is a cleavage. What is wrong in that.. I only advice that u can be the best parent to your children only if you make them aware of everything.From cleavages to condoms to sex. The chidren have to live alone in the world.And it is the onus of the parents to educate them about every issue..”

I dont agree with Miss Pranav Srivastava when she says..”And everytime giving justification to your actions/words is also not correct, sometimes you should listen to others too and take whatever good is in their words..”
I think u should listen to only those who u think have actually got some point..u dont just have to listen to just everyone..GOD there is so much variety of people in this world…atleast half of them can b totally wrong..wat would u do in that case if u started listening to them?
I think if prena has got her own style of looking at things she shouldn’t give it up..she should let us know about it..she’s free to express watever comes in her mind whenever..this is called purity which isn’t conisdered beautiful now a days..

Hello Prerna,

I do believe in equal rights. In Gods eyes all are equal. There is no distinction. Classes and divide is what the man has created. Regarding drinking – all I would like to say is, drink responsibly so that you are aware of every action and strictly dont drive after drinking. Regarding Dress – Wear any dress that makes you feel proud as well as your parents feel proud. If any one follows these simple rules, I am sure it will not offend any one. Sex – I personally feel there should be some restraints (irrespective of sex-male or female) when it comes to indulging in sex. Keep it within the walls of marriage and not outside to lead a happy life.

Dear Ankur,

First of all, thanks that you read my comments & felt bound to write on it. However, on reading, I felt that we are on two different planets.

The very word ‘limit” denotes that it is unique. If everyone decides a different limit, then, in fact, there will be no limit as such. So I believe, it defies your argument.

As regards your views on the beauty of women & its exposure, I will only like to know your views on the same if the woman in subject is your Mother, Sister or someone near & dear?

On the awareness part, although I agree with you, I still feel that you have not understood my point. I do not expect the chils to ask the parent as to what is a clevage. She knows it. But it is the exposure in full public view that she may ask about. That is an embarrasing situation. Imagine, you are with your daughter ( I strongly wish you have one ASAP ) & come across a skimply clad girl showing whatever possible. Will you go ahead & enjoy the view or bother that your daughter is also with you & that it may not be appropriate to do so. But, after all, it needs to be experienced. I am sure, with passage of time, your views will change. It will be good for the females around you.

Finally, just want to tell you that I do not fall into the ” Uneducated Prejudiced” category. I am a qualified engineer & extremely successful marketing person. My job takes me to places in India & abroad & my views are based on my observations. But, of course, personal.

See, this is a reply from my heart & there is no purpose to attack your character. I respect your individuality & you may follow your own agenda. It’s your life aftervall! Since you suggested that I should reply, I have done it. For me, the chapter is closed here & here only.

ravinesh murti Wrote:

stop your bitchy nonsense and stop spoing other girls as well. You do not have any religious knowlegle. Wonder which religion you belong to. Shame on you. You must be a headache to your parents as well.

You are so weak that you are influened by alcohol. Walk naked as you dont have respect for anyone. You are worst than the prostitute. daamn bitch.

nvenkat raman Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

I feel, character is not only attributable to women but is equally for men also. As long as once practice and style do not infiltrate other persons freedom, I dont think there is harm either drinking or dressing as you like. It is on the own one should have some principles either not to drink heavily to harm health.

From my side, i can say, that you cant be influenced by any body except you. This i can say from personal experience. I am a man who have travelled very widely to almost all the countries still i am strict vegetarian and never even touched beer. This because, that i felt i can live without these.

Regards.
LVR

chetan borkar Wrote:

i dont know what to say to you my dear friend, why are u trying to justify.. What the Ram Sene did was wrong when any one drinks its wrong irrespective whether they are a man or woman,.A woman dressing provocative is the worst sin she can do, if she is really desirable she doesnt have to try that hard and a man will get attracted to her and not to her body.

anwar hussain Wrote:

Prerna

Such things are bound to happen. Keep writing and wish you all the best. Focus on constructive criticism.

Anwar

Shivakant Mishra Research ScholorDept. of Chemistry BHU Varanas Wrote:

hi thanks it is very surprising !

Shiv Kumar Sharma Wrote:

Madam,
I think your mind is vitiated by the wrong perception shown by politicians about the Ram Sena and slogan adopted by the Mafdam Renuka Choudhary by ” Pub Bharo Agitation”.

Thereare two points under consideration:
1. Is indian woman strong enough to face any eventuality.
2. Indian women do not need any protection/ reservation/ special previllage inshringed in our constitution because our forfathers considered women as a weak sex and need special previllage.

Our cultural heritage tought us that a women is replica of Godess ” Laxmi” and must be always respected as a Grah Lasxmi ”

Compare this statement with idea you have shown in this blog. It appears that you want to be an opprtunist. You want to enjoy all the benifits enshrined in the social customes,constitution of india and al last but not least our own moral charcter and belief.

Our’s is a country where a women is worshiped as godess and you want to appear your self in pubs, bars and disco dances wearing half/ semi nacket dress.
You want to adpot western culture keeping all the benifits our constitution, society and cultural heritage bestowed on you in tect .
You want not to react the opposite sex even if appear half neket and in drinken condition. You want Indian male should not react even if an oppsite sex teases you.

Then why you cry for a rape case and/or saxual harrasements.

Be equal and enjoy all the freedom you want from our society.

otherwise do not get influenced by the statement issued by these politicians. There do not belong to any cast, religion, social cullture. They are always interested in their own benifit. They never allowed the Sc. St . and other reserved catagory people to join the main stream and rise above the cast consideration. What do you think they will support you. forget.
Try not to spoil our own cultural heritage and customs and behave like a good lady.
S. K. Sharma

You are the best judge to decide.

nigam ssnnl Wrote:

hi prerna nice to see ur mail u look very much focused human nd that imprssed e lot. well dear i m agree with your most of the points. mo harm that u r drinking and as u say if u driking with health concious then i sd say its good. dear all things like who sd drink ond not or wht sd be the dress code all are just garbage i agree on that point. well but dnt think that u sd drink bcz ur man is drinking. u sd drink if u wnt it sdnt be on reply of ur man is drinking or not. same in all other activity too. i think forget the line that women are as good as man.. Y u sd aim to man? u sd aim beyond that. i think women are ver much equiped that she need not to comw up with aiming a man….
your friend
-Nigam

Nova Enterprise Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I wonder if you would be able to pass this message onto the guy who promotes attacks against women?

Point 1. Let’s us assume all that they say about Indian culture being eroded is true.
Sir the Hindu religon advocate attacks on women or does the Hind religon advocate defending women?

Let’s take a bigger picture, our country, the one thing that stands out is India is the one country that believes in tolerance and ahimsa. Ghandhiji followed it and it got India independence at a far less cost in terms of loss of life.
These traits of ahimsa and non violance has stood the test of time and India is one of the strongest democratic countries in the world because of these two traints, despite the illitracy rate!

Point 2. Let’s take the legal point of view. Sir, does the law advocate taking law into your own hands? Or should a law abiding citizen approach the law if there is a dispute?

Point 3. Sir if we were to do a comparison of your acts, the closest semblance would be to terrorist organization like Taliban. Purhaps I am wrong? I would truly like to be explained where. But the similarities are as follows.
Similarities.
1. Taliban is intolerant, are you tolerant?

2. Taliban takes the law into it’s own hands, do you approach the law for addressing your greviences?

3. Taliban hurts people and fear is the most powerful factor it uses, do you use love, accepting other’s point of view?

4. Taliban beleive in no music, women in chadors and at home, do you believe differently?

Please allow me to share some information (I have been following the vedanta for years and will carry on doing so, by Hari’s will).
Our only responsibility is to remain ever joyful.
True joy is based on knowledge, love and service.
Let’s forget discussing knowledge as this seems ‘a bridge too far’ for you at this time though I hope this situation changes.

Let’s take love. Gita describes ‘Love’ as abscence of hatred. Can you lay claim to follow this?

Service. This you can do immediately by sincerely applogizing for your actions, approaching the court of law and owning up to your actions.

By doing this you will get to state your case and also let the court decide. This takes inner strength, a lot of inner strength as it means putting yourself on the line like all great leaders through time did. The Pandus put themselves on line, Ceaser, Winston Churchill, Mahtama Gandhi, all did.

I am not saying what you say is wrong. Yours is an opinion and you have a right to your opinion but to go against the very basis of the Hindu religon in the name of religon? Well you decide.

Why have I not quoted the Upnishads?
Upnishads is a conversation between a person who is self realized and one who is very near self realization and thus out of reach for people like us.

Purhas I have hurt you and I sincerely appologize for this as causing hurt is not what I want to do; you see if a person is hurt or angry, then change is not possible and I want to do what I can for you, thus the appology for the hurt caused. But tarry a moment, if my words have hurt you, please think how much would your actions have hurt other human beings and that too women? And that too intentionally? And you would call yourself a defender of the Hindu faith?

But the Gita also says that wherever each of us is, is the best place for that person to progress into Brahman. You only have to choose, the rest will follow my friend.

I absolutely loves your mail it’s just so insightful and honest!!!

RAVINDRAN NAIR Wrote:

Hi Prema,

I enjoy reading your writings and respect your views in many areas.

Keep up the good work.

Love & Best Regards,

Ravi

Do you also like to spend nights with different men?

Asoke Chattopadhyay Wrote:

Dear Ms Gupta,

I am personally inclined to go and join any mass protest in opposition to the Ram Sene gang. I feel especially angry at their filing a lawsuit against Smt Renuka Chaudhary for “inciting violence”. That must approach the limits of stupidity !

Certainly what a woman does is her own business, exactly as what a man does is his. However, no one must do something which ‘hurts’ another person. Herein lies the rub. Because, Mr. Muthalik can say with a great deal of aplomb that your comments, or those by Smt. Chaudhary have ‘hurt’ him. Invoking the name of “Indian ideal of womanhood” is utter trash and sheer hypocrisy of course. The same people who shout themselves hoarse about “sati, sadhvi, Indian woman” have been guilty of raping, molesting, and certainly burning many Indian women in the funeral pyre of their dead husbands. They should be behind bars, not behaving like monkeys in public places.

So you know ehere my sympathy lies. Still, I feel the main issues before us are (i) poor health, near starvation conditions in vast regions of our country, and (ii) lack of education, and lack of dignity of persons who, by the accident of birth etc., lack access to money, health, education and occupation. Any other issue is really secondary to these.

And yet our parliamentarians vocifariously proclaim their “love” for their countrymen and sanction crores of public money for people of Kalahandi, Chattisgarh etc. For what ?

Think about these issues and let me have your thoughts.

With regards and best wishes,

Asoke

Harmohan Kawatra Wrote:

I do not think one has to respond to any body to attacks on “moral character”. People never stop talking.
so ignoring is the best thing.

Ramanathan Iyer Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

Keep up your blogs, they are very much interesting to read and ya please ignore the ones who do not understand your message.

I enjoy reading your blog.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks
Ramanathan Iyer

fatemeh Mirshekari Wrote:

hi
I am an iranian girl of 20 years old.I feel just like you about the men in my family or in fact the men in my country

@hardy — no i don’t. this is exactly the closed-minded stupidity we are trying to protest here. why do you assume that i sleep around? have i said anything here that would indicate something like that? and, even if i did sleep around…so what?

Hi Prerna, I am sorry you are hurt so much , I am also more agitated like you because to my comment which I made on that blog , which was not against you or about drinking , someone has drag Islam and called us Talibans. I belong to a section of Muslims where we are tuaght to respect women, I will not call myself very liberal but I can say I have seen very good women , women of character of other religions, I have many Hindu women friends and they all repect me and my religion and I respect theirs.
In your blog you have written nothing wrong and you have not advocated anyone to drink nor you have said anything which denegrate our culture or any religion, some fanatics want to show they are more powerful and they are born to dominate women. I simply do not agree with such thinkings. I have seen US , Canada and most relatives are citizens and they live in that culture peacefully and they never object or disagree to anyone doing what they like, .

Prerna please dont take to your heart anything said or commented by some, most of us are with you, keep on doing the good work for the society, keep blogging, you have all the freedom in this world to express, write and discuss. Ignore some blacksheeps who want to spoil and corrupt the soceity.

Regards and best wishes to you, keep blogging.

prerna gupta r u really a girl, a hindu, is that ur photo. if it so please show 2/3 other photos of urs. i dont think u r real, u might be fake. if u r true show some photos of urs.

@sharat — yes i am indeed a female. you can see more photos of mine at http://prernagupta.com and also on my yaari profile…so many people doubt my identity :) why?

sanjay koul Wrote:

i am not satisfied with your comments with this blog. as all men at are not like that. Women should dress like that, but the intimates should be sound.

regards,
Sanjay

Dear prerna Gupta

Following are my view in regards to your explaination please :

Drinking is still not accepted in our indian culture. To prevent it to spread all over our cultural values many activities are carried out where women have/had played major roles.I am proud of Indian women for their active role in this matter.Still many women are actively doing for betterment of their family needs.

We have accepted equality of men and women for more and better prospect of Republic of India without affecting any of Good values of society.

Going in Bar/Pub by Girls/Women will encourage and raise frequency of men for drinking other vulgarities.which leads to distruction of many of family values.Thats why many dance bar have been stopped.

Keep in mind we are Indian though how many years we will be in other country and holding valid card showing their citizenship.

Looking at Western countries drinking, dancing and sex are the part their routine life and without it they cant live.but We had accepted their limitation in our life.

We Indians are different and we respect our culture. But sorry tell you that We have wrong habbit of Blind copy and practice of anything without knowing what its effect on own life and values.

Republic of India and its educated citizen want their Women shall be so dynamic to lead and bring India on top of prosperity by holding shoulder to shouder with men.

today western citizen are willing to wear Indian sarees and dress than why we running behind their rejected dress and wearing.

Please rethink about your self and reply….

yours

deven

nidhi verma Wrote:

Dear Prerna ,

No one wants your vulgar campagning and liberalising what u call as “Repressed India”. Firstly , India is one , however we have people of different mentalities / outlook here . We have the right to speech and expression so we can express the same . Ram Sene was absolutely wrong …..we all know that . And that was pure politics for votebank of our very conservative Indians who are mostly villagers from Upper castes or some other conservative groups .
But girl , what r u upto ! For a handful of women who have no values you are trying to misguide Youngistan . Instead you shud write sense and support their freedom while still maintaining the Indian tradition and values .
If people like you start this vulgar campaign , I fear that India will in no time become like any other western country where relationships , marriage , respect towards elders , our wonderful poojas and festivals which we spend together wid our families will be replaced by drunk women skimpily dressed , dancing boozing , drooling everywhere ! That day “INDIA”will be finished !
Please understand …..our culture , our values are our Treasure, and at no cost we shud loose it!

Moreover I would like to remark on a comment of Mr Kamal Hassan that “English shud b the National language of India ” . Wow if people like Prerna Sharmas and Kamal Hasans r I think Intellectuals like us shud stand up and stop them before they ruin India . Here again I myself speak English most of the time , it is definately the “Official ” language of India . But Hindi or all other respectful regional languages r our mother Tongue and we cannot change our Mother .Moreover only 4percent of our population speaks English …………so ………

Guys this is the rite time to stand up against complete westernisation of our culture , be proud of our country , our culture .

Regards

Nidhi

Dear Prerna, One thing we must understand, GOD has created man & woman for different purpose. Both have different features, different quality, capability & responsibility. Therefore, I think, comparison man with woman is unjust. Rather they become complete with each other. Further, there is no need to cry for equal rights as both are given specific rights. What a woman does or can do, a man can not and vice verse. The nature has made both unequal, but equal. We must respect the nature and our human responsibilities. So far, the drinking etc is concerned, it should be optional to all. In my opinion, any thing under control is good. But if someone keeps distance from all those habits which manipulates & exploits our humanity is better. I wish all of us should enter into some constructive debate. Wish you all the best. Good Luck.

prerna, take all the 6 levelled against you in your stride. they dont need your defense. kaama and moha depend on the viewer’s mind situ psyche and hormonal balances. the erotic at Konark are superb, even if they start acting out. but if lewdness creeps in, it is oh gosh for the porny, but loathsom for the prude. Do you realise how Siva cheated on Parvathi in the challenge dance between them?and she toned down and he won…..!!!!…I have just read all the comments. Anything new? no, i have already read them elsewhere in previous books and ancient tomes. A pink cheddi why shd the girl show it, exhibit? red dots mean spotting, and why? Therefore Prerna, does your name mean provoke? and guptha means hidden, see!!!! Take things as they come dear, and continue to reveal your opinions and views to us, for us to learn about different perspectives.

editor saab! that is the problem with this moderation biz. publish boldly our views, after deleting objectionables.

Well.. time is wasted on trivial matters. Firstly there is Myth about indian woman.. there is no such thing , each individual wherever whichever boundary they call are born with individual ideas and thoughts .Woman and man have needs and desires you cannot bottle that up
As far as your drinking goes hey enjoy get drunk throw up do whatever dont live life for others do what you wish. as far for the moral policers are concerned ask yourself this why are they putting their heads and minds at these things when they should be concentrating on their mantras and sholkas and poojas . Probably their loins are waking up too late and are frustrated they cannot get any action themselves.

Chaddis are foreign word.. we should all wear lungottis .. I say indian throw your chaddis out and start wearing lungottis. FREEDOM FOR ALL.. While our JAwans are dying to save our country we are talking about chaddis and drinking …………………………..As for porn go to Khujurao.

Hi!

I am compelled to say that you are a woman of substance. Keep it up.

dear mr sunil vaidya,
how r u? its good that u replied. It enriched the dialogue. Mr gupta u see that ur arguement about limits doesn’t defy my logic. but on the contrary proves it. I am also saying the same thing. That there cannot be one universal limit for all. Limit should come from inside the individual. The individual has the right to choose his limit. And nobody including parents, society,culture or religion can force a limit from outside on the individual. And in this right is intrinsic the choice to choose no limit.
And what is wrong if my mother or sister enjoys moving nude. They too are women. It is their body nd their choice. Does it make them less of a mom or sis? Not for me mr vaidya. why r u so much against nudity. its just like wearing clothes. there shouldn’t be any morality tied to it. God sent us a nude. was he a sinner then.
And if i become a parent, does it mean that i should become inhumane. should i have to kill my need. Ofcourse if i m going along with my daughter and a sexy girl passes by and I feel like oogling , i would oogle. Being a parent doesn’t mean that i would start repressing the needs of my body. Sex is my physical need and i would continue even after becoming a parent.
And i believe if parents like u dont repress themselves just because they have become parents; they would turn out to be better parents. children would then be less of a burden on them.And they would give more space to their children. And would better understand the children’s sexual needs. And would burden them less with their irrational, foolish expectations.
And lastly getting an engineering degree, and a successful marketing career doesn’t automatically make one educated. Degree and education have a correlational relationship and not a causal one. take care. keep writing back. love ankur

Dear Mr Ravinesh Murti,
Prerna is absolutely right that ram and sita drank wine before having sex. You go and read the scriptures. And not only that the shiv-linga that we hindus worship in all shiv temples is the act of sex. Go and look closely. the shiv-linga is the phallus, the penis.the base on which it rests is the vagina.And the whole set-up is the act of sex. The ling penetrating the vagina. So u see u yourself have been worshipping the act of sex.And if u dont believe me , go and ask any religious scholar. We hindus worship the act of sex. and if u dont like that change your religion. And if u have guts coward, do reply back.love ankur

dear madeeha,
thanks dear for your approval to my comments. and ur response is even more heartening as it comes from a khan. As the fundamentalist wave continues taking over islam, it is the onus for women like u to rise from within the religion. Because if wahabi fundamentalism takes over, the biggest sufferer would not be america or anybody else. but the muslim women.take care.love ankur.

Keep living this way, allow your daughters to sleep with men and one day you will cry a lot, and you will know exactly why Allah(SWT) asks you to be modest and hide your beauty… You’re not the first or last victim of the western world… Actually it’s not about the western world, it’s all about you.. This is what you wanted and was convinced about, so take the responsipility yourself and face ALLAH yourself…

prerna u said if urs brother or father or husband is drinking u can also do.i mean y?y u r imposing condition that u will drink in the case if ur family members drink.means if they dont drink then u vl not drink is it or not.but my frined cant we stop our beloved from drinking, i think we cant bound any1 but we can make request.if we start following all the things which our family members are doing then that will disturb natural balance.for example if God forbade ur brother is a criminal or murderer then u r supposed do the same act, defenitly not.i m not contradicting ur idea rather i am adding to ur idea.i blieve that if any1 is satisfied with the things he is doing with in limits then he or she has all the rights to do that, no matter his parents or bros or sis are doing that or not.if u feel u look beautiful or feel comfortable u must have no restriction in wearing mini skirts.if u feel alcohol keep u fresh and give u more strength for work then no one can compel u to quit it.
my friend aapni life jiyo.
suno sub ki
karo mun ki
zakawat hussain

Saud Choudhry Wrote:

Well if u drink its easier to get u into bed.

Dear Prena,

I am so proud of you speaking out…

I my self live in Canada and i was a child when i left India…So my view are western..But no matter as human,they also applies globally..

You are are brave girl and doing a fantastic job….Unfortunately Indo/Pak being male dominant society,and those people who condemn actions by women,are nothing ignorants
Including our Governments too.

Although they show liberal views,but they are nothing but bunch hypocrites…As they Ram Kare lila,aur kare pun..i hope i phrased it correctly…lol.

I wish there are more and more women such as your self…if they really know any religions then they should know what our religions teaches us…I am being Muslim,and that teaches equality amongst women,but these Mullas see things differently,and they adopt to what ever that suits them..

I hate men who are cruel towards women,you the thing is they nothing but “COWARDS”
I dont care if they hate me for writing this,but as decent human beings we have to raise our voices,no matter what…..Bravoo Prena…Keep on doing the great job My Dear…

Sincerely..

Mohammed..

Prasanna Kumar Prusty Wrote:

Dear madam
I agree with you
but thing is that you should maintain the decency in front of your
parent friends teachers seniors as they have minimum expectation from
you as regard to your dress code.
Regarding consumption of alcohol your freedom persists so long as
there is no harm to others.

With Regards
P.K.prusty

a good one

Nishant Yadav Wrote:

Hi dear , According to me sri ram sena should be banned but ur thinking is also not so good,I m sorry but it is my opinion that no one should drink or lose time in pubs . we all youths should work in the interest of our country bcoz our old leader have lots desire to drop our country in the dirty drain. so its the time to wake up .thanks

CH. M. TARIQ JAVED Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
Let me tell you the story which you might have heard before but it will answer all your questions.
An artist made a picture and put it in a public place with a note,”Please point out the faults”. Next day he saw the circles all arround the picture indicating various faults. He re-made that picture and again put it in that place with another note,” Please correct the faults”. Next day there were no circles on the picture.
Ch.

Naqi Haider Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

You are doing a good job, please keep it continued.

Drinking or dressing up is quite a personal matter, don’t care about those who doesn’t have access to luxury life. Repressive Indians would always attack you but never take it to heart.

As a Muslim I have my limitations regarding drinking or dress code but I can not attack others on their personal lives.

Keep fighting with evils, God bless you.

KR
Haider

Rakesh Kumar Wrote:

We are living in freedom country so we do, wear, eat, drink etc.
Whatever we want. Forget all, it’s your life and you have full right
enjoy it.

Dear Prerna Gupta,

I appreciate your patient and your style of responding. Though I am not indian but just wanted to have my comments after reading your mail which I really do not know who it attract me.

Every mail I read was different subject and different articale undeer discussion. There are a huge number of man and woman living in different geographical are of earth. Man can not live without a woman and woman with a man. Of course both cathegory adjust thems as per the situation and changes as such you suggested is not easy.

Anyway, we need to respect religion and other customs of each communit and being excited and heat does not help.

Regards
Karim

qazi ahmed Wrote:

Hi…Prerna Gupta love to listen ur words….

rajesh kataria Wrote:

hi………..prerna i really support ur mission n dont like d orthodox people .

dear Perna. apreciate all ur ideas. there r too many ideas about girls that must be changed to see a better world. seems that some today men cant see our world even as well as our ancestors who believed all good gods and angels such as love, light, life were women and gods of troubles such as war, famine.. were men. one day woman was the the source of life and creation in the world but now.. im sorry abt many wrong unreasonable ideas that their existnce belongs to just only mens physical power. abt muslims.. yes. ur right. islam has one of the blackest views about women and its opinions about women are really far from real womens worth. hope to be successful to develop wrong ideas even one step.

I think drinking and the way an individual wants to dress up r one’s personal matters..I am a muslim myself I dont drink but I am very sure I can never critisize a person who does cuz its one’s personal matter..n the more decent u r the less u interfere in sumone’s private life..western people r decent they r civilized..I live in england with my husband..I’m not an indian I belong to pakistan..I know some people would like to call me another victim of westernized culture..but why does everyone here live happliy?..its cuz they’ve made their lives simple..they r wiser then us..they keep them to themselves n allow others to do that too..they dont interfere with each others private lives..the greates irony of india/pak society is ” Log kia kahaieny gy ” u c ? whenever whatever happens whether u r tense or not this sentence is enough to get u worried..cuz whether we personally dont care if our son has married a girl with a different religion ” our daughter has fallen in luv with someone..” our daughter has married against our will because we wouldn’t let her decide about her own life cuz what people would make of it huh ? its the matter of our ghairat n ego ..” what is ego or ghairat ? they r just self made things which have originated just because of the fact that people in india/pak like to interfere with each others lives..they like to give their opinions about what is happeneing to the family next door..and they even like to discuss it with other people who know about it..moreover they also like to tell the story to those who dont even know about it..u c these r the reasons why we lack peace in our lives..we r never comfortable..we give more importance to what people or society will think rather than giving importance to what right or wrong is or what the real solution of the problem is..we r unable to decide appropriately..I request people to simplify their lives and do what is right to do and if they r asked by people plz tell them to mind their own business..think from your own minds not from people’s minds..

Redin, Noah Wrote:

I agree with your belief and attitude towards equality between both genders. In this ever changing world, humanism must adapt to progress and technology and that will make our world a better place, so individuals must take the lead to accept change which will bring forth change in the mentality of the public as a whole.

I enjoy your views,

Regards,

Noah

Drinking moderate amounts of ALCOHOL is NOT good for you. The correct statement is that drinking small amounts of wine is good for you … and it is NOT the alcohol that is beneficial, but some other chemical in wine that has some benefit for the heart.

Also, men drink alcohol because they are not as wise as women. Have you thought about it in that perspective? Why should we women do what members of the inferior sex do? :) Same for smoking, waging war, …

You see, women should have their own standards … they don’t need to beg for the “rights” that men give themselves. Women are given less respect even if they want to stay home with their babies (many are respected only if they earn money)! Fight for that right before fighting for the right to drink and smoke!

jayesh nanda Wrote:

Hi,

Good Morning,

We find many a times engrossed in thoughts of what others think for us, and resort to some actions thinking that we can please them. But the reality when it comes is that we kill our own aspirations in achieveing the happiness of others because we donot want have a bad picture of us.

Do you think?
1. Killing own slef aspiration makes the other person Happy?
2. Do we not become a slave of thoughts and be governed by the thoughts and perception of others?
3. As Lord Shri Krishna has said “AHM BRAHMA ASMI”, meaning U r the creator of your own self, here in the above context, are we not going against the preaching of the LORD, for till the time we donot define the happiness for our own self and experience it ourself, how come the surrounding around us be Happy.

Request for your views.

Have a great day.

Manab

selvamani rajaram Wrote:

Thank you for the email. this has been an interesting article here, I didn;t realise there was a blog as I have never participated in one….welll actually not sure how to use one or set one up…though many have asked me to do it…time and time again.
Nevertheseless, here’s my two cents worth , I humbly apologize if I offend you or anyone with what I have to say but the intention is sincere, merciful and compassionate.

You see, many have misunderstood the purpose of religions to begin with, they are schools of thought,….they are necessary to be bonded with the cultures and nuturing of a society. It maturing point though should be manifested with spirituality becomes the manifestations of a person, thus the literal learnings should now be a reaslitic, workable active perspective of a Righteous, moral faith founded being.
Your defence on the drinking or the depth of the drinking, its freuqency are baseless if edcuation has not yet sprouted in the still weeding/tilling stage of many minds….this could be attributed to the lack of sufficient soil, sunshine and suitable conditions….the farm begin to suffer. Drinking a so called minimal amount as daily portions is not a necessary ideal requirement as
well….for who made this claims….more than likely it can be traced to establishments of this industry , that needs to justify it’s growth or sustainability….this is vindicative of similar industries as the pharmaceutical, health food or an assortment of the “Wants” world….which …even though is not a “no-no” it must be revered as one…that could be done without if there’s isn;t a need for…remember…how are your desires satisfied…..is it through…peer pressures, society pressure, process of elimination in the rise of the prestige ladder….and so the list goes on….all I am saying…it takes two to tango….and the initiating key factor could be seen as “Awareness yet detachment…..will bring along a sense of contentment to the Haves n have-nots…”

I do not drink…a strict vegetarian…..I have difficutly approaching Indian women to profess my interest in them…for they view me as a loser…just becoz..I choose to be simple ….even though I am quite complexed and that I dedicate my time n energy to the eternal Truth but from a mortal sense of living….so…I realise this ….absorb it as a form of learning but I try to ripple out the positive….Yes you may argue, it’s not the same …being a woman or a female….and you;re absolutely correct….there’s much ignorance and the dominant greed among the male….I cannot deny that and do not have a solution for it…but I do know…compassion and subtle yet powerful acts of mercy do go a long way , it has been shown and experienced over the course of time……contrast to the wielding fist that falls hard….easily….

I hope….that religion is not used as a tool to send disarray signals or messages to begin with and that propriety and righteousness prevails…through the merciful and compassionate acts of the common Indian and Man …as the saying goes….”Ask not what your religion can do for you….rather what you can do for your religion in bringing forth….peace, unity, respect and the Oneness…./

Phew…I apologize….I have began to rattle on and on…this is the second time of writing this…the first one…I wrote…n then accidentally clicked the wrong button and lost my first version …which was actually more subtle….in any case…hope…this is mercifullly received …have a good week ahead then….peace n blessings…

Mani Rajaram

Those who dare prove me wrong::

1. I have seen personal people dieing in the middle of street via accidents, people being smashed for road rage: I have personally seen female virtually raped in the bus when male pushes their body against innocent “SARI WEARING LADY”. NO SINGLE “MAN” COMES FORWARD IN INDIA TO SAVE ANYONE. A NATIONAL DISGRACE. MANHOOD DOES NOT MEAN SLEEPING WITH FEMALES, MANHOOD MEANS DARING TO PROTECT THE “BETTER HALF” OF SOCIETY.

2. Bollywood :Majority watch it for fun, good time pass, lovely coloured dresses and charming female bodies? Who does not ?.

3.Religion is private mater and is beyond any discussion(Everybody has his or her freedom to pray worship or not to follow any branch of religious activity).

4. Alcohol: It is and was part of all civilisations(including Hindu). I have muslim friends who can;t go to bed without drinking.

5. Attacking any individual is not acceptable in any civilised society. You can write your views and argue.

BUT TELLING SOME ONE A WHORE OR BITCH ONLY PROVES SOME ONE WHO MAKES SUCH SATTEMENTS WAS NOT RAISED IN A “DECENT CIVILISED WAY”.

Again :

LOOKING AFTER THE WELFARE OF “LESS FORTUNATE” DOES IT HAPPEN IN INDIA ? I HAVE NOT SEEN IT(?).

INDIA WAS SOCIETY OF GREAT PEOPLE LIKE GANDHI, LORD RAMA, LORD GAUTAM BUDHA, GURU GOVIND JEE AND LIST GOES ON.

WHER ARE THOSE IDEALS NOW?. FIGHTING IN NAME OF RELIGION, EXPLOITATION OF POORS.

I AM 100% AGAINST EXPLOITATION OF NEEDY BY RICHES.

AT LAST?.

THE VERY FIRST COMMENT I MADE ON THIS FORUM WAS “HYPOCRACY” AND IT TOOK ME TIME TO CONVINCE “PRERNA WHAT IT DID NOT MEAN FOR HER”.

“INDIANS ARE REPUTED AS THE MOST HYPOCTRICAL PEOPLE’. WHAT PEOPLE SAY AND WHAT THEY DO “MOSTLY NEVER MATCHES”. PROVE ME WRONG HERE, PLEASE PLEASE ?

THANKS TO Madeeha Khan

Your comments are well presented and fair to all. Yes people from Subcontinent always interested in others personal maters.

Prerna is “Stanford” educated, It is education which has taught her that female and male are same.

Dear Mani Rajaram : Religion is a pure private mater. All religions are wonderful, all of them.

arghya hazra Wrote:

hiii prerna i am very impressed about your views. but at the same time i can tell you that we must respect our partners and seniors. if they does not want you drinking then dont drink infront of them. but it is your right to do whatever you like. so do whatever you like but dont disrespect anyone

Ms Prerna…i ignored u’r blog content the first time i saw it. It looked like some pseudo-feminists pouring out her frustrations. (before u shout again pls understand that we also have right to ignore you). Now again reading u shouting. Whats’ this man!Manners and Morality seems 2 things that are beyond u’r comprehension. When u have given u’r piece, when u have got the publicity then leave it. Why same chirad again ! Amazing. I respect womenhood. They are my friends, my mother, my sister, my wife, my daughters. I respect them. And I am proud to live in ndia. I am proud of Indian traditions. And I respect all moredrnity within this traditional framework. There a numerous working women. Who balances between professional and personal responsibilities. Infact we have ladies like Indira Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Pratibha Patil, Sushma Swaraj, Aishwarya Rai, and may more who are dignified and very intellectual mordern. Not like what u seem to be. A brat needing publicity. A brat who considers herself some sort of revolutionary. I would definitely wish to read u’r parents and relations view on you. Perhaps it is persons’ like you who give hooligans like Ram Sene etc. to discredit entire womanhood.

Prateek Mishra Wrote:

Hi,

In this case of women being suppressed by few goondas and radical groups does not mean that every Indian man is of the same charecter. What i think, in this nation, every incidence happening against the normal which gives a negative impact to the society is having politics at the back end. Now in case, lets see, what happened in mangalore pub, was having the radical group hand..obviously supported by the local parties. On the valentines day eve, they are there to beat every one up…and you ‘ll find the most are from your local election seat. every where..anywhere these sort of things happens… they are behind it to either strengthen their so called political status or to regain their status in the political market. AND.. all of us know how deep is the political garbage in India. This is the most wague topic for Indians… This is some kind of maniacism they are having to show there strength on the uninvolved youths on which they can easily domintae by strngth..

Ya, and for AUSSIE…. he is correct here..we are the most hyprcritc people. we never match our work with our words. This is what only a few people defy with their examples..as PINK chadhhi campaign did it..But one can not defeat everyone..Its all about personal intention and thinking..might be only we people here think that whatever these radicals do is wrong… but if you go to their places they think it is very right..so being practical…. YOU CAN NOT JUST CHANGE WHAT THESE PEOPLE THINK AND DO… IT LIKE HITTING YOUR HEAD HARD AT THE WALL TO CHANGE THE SHAPE OF IT….you make take it as a misfortune for us or whatever…but its a fact… PEOPLE WHO THINK, WOMEN LIBERATION IS GOOD UNTILL ANY LIMITS ARE RIGHT AT THERE POINT AND HALF,, AND PEOPLE WHO THINK WOMEN SHOULD BE CONFINED TO THERE LIMITS ARE ALSO RIGHT TO THEIR POINT.. BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PERCEPTION. AND MOREOVER IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, ITS ALL POLITICS.. IF I AM WRONG, PLZ QUOTE.

Ram pathak Wrote:

I appriciate your points, yes there should no diffrence between Female / Male.

DISAPPOINTMENT:

One hummble request. Army must be out of any discussions.

Prerna wrote ” My dear, do you know the percentage of consumption of alcohol in Indian Army and other departments? Grow up.. stop behaving as kid. “”".

Army personals fights on front line and within the country to protect you and me. You and me sits in house with comfort at the expense of those who fight and protect us at borders and within the country. Army personal faces all short of situations and some times it can takes years for them to forget those bad unfortunate events.

I AM SORRY TO SAY BUT I BELIEVE ARMY IS BEYOND ANY DISCUSSIONS AT ANY FORUM. ANY REFERENCE TO ARMY “MUST” BE AVOIDED.

ok… my comment was removed…dont know why?! there was nothing offensive in it..hmm..i think she thought i was saying the truth afterall…may be thats the reason… [:O]

Dear Zakaria,
Did you talk to allah where he told you that women should practise modesty and should not fuck. And if there is such a god in your religion why do you want others like us who are not of your religion to believe in such a god. So keep your idiotism to yourself and fellow idiots. And i find it hard to believe that u think that the allah up there is sitting idle counting how many times a woman is fucking. Does he have no other work. Other than watching woman fuck.Is he a voyeur
the allah that u worship is nothing but a reflection of yourself. Just like if a horse i
is asked he would say god is a horse. Same for u dear. Since u dont fuck u always think about fucking. And I would love my daughter to see her grow up into a full-fledged true woman who enjoys sleeping with man. love ankur

Premaji

I always wish first India to become Hindustan (pure Hindu Desha) and not muslim, christian, etc and also mixture of religions. Pramod Muthalik’s motive was that and I like to support him. But he is doing other hated things instead of that.

So first we must believe our country, reseach and study our tradition and culture. Then whatever may be can do. Every men & women have complete freedom in our hindu religiion more than other religions. We have missed our root when Mughals and British came and stay in India.

Dear Madeeha,
How beautifully and simply you have expressed the problem. You have really hit the bull’s eye.And your understanding of the western culture is right. I am in awe of your perception. take care.keep writing. a simple mind is the most beautiful mind.take care.love ankur.

Dear Aussie,
You are ignorant when you say that all religions are same. There are about 300 major and minor religions in the world.And they are not the same. While Hindus have many gods and believe in idolatory, muslims don’t. And Islam says that One who does not believe in allah has no right to live. And the believers in Allah should crush and kill the non-believers.
And you are even more ignorant when you say that all religions are wonderful. The biggest crimes against humanity and women have been committed in the name of religion. Therefore all organised religions whether hinduism, islam or christianity are evil. So in a much more conscious world there won’t be organised religions. love ankur

Drinking is still not accepted in our indian culture. To prevent it to spread all over our cultural values many activities are carried out where women have/had played major roles.I am proud of Indian women for their active role in this matter.Still many women are actively doing for betterment of their family needs.

We have accepted equality of men and women for more and better prospect of Republic of India without affecting any of Good values of society.

Going in Bar/Pub by Girls/Women will encourage and raise frequency of men for drinking other vulgarities.which leads to distruction of many of family values.Thats why many dance bar have been stopped.

Keep in mind we are Indian though how many years we will be in other country and holding valid card showing their citizenship.

Looking at Western countries drinking, dancing and sex are the part their routine life and without it they cant live.but We had accepted their limitation in our life.

We Indians are different and we respect our culture. But sorry tell you that We have wrong habbit of Blind copy and practice of anything without knowing what its effect on own life and values.

Republic of India and its educated citizen want their Women shall be so dynamic to lead and bring India on top of prosperity by holding shoulder to shouder with men.

today western citizen are willing to wear Indian sarees and dress than why we running behind their rejected dress and wearing.

Dear Prerana,
I support equal rights to WOMEN, but I am sorry to say you are thinking liberation to Women can be achieved only by SMOKING, DRINKING, Having more boy friends, expression of love of love in Public and insulting the people who say these things are bad. And your argument goes on if my husband sleeps with 10 women why not I am with 100 men.. I can only say society says this is bad for you.. still if you want, you feel that is great achievement you are free to do it.. and enjoy the fruits.. like one miss India who ended as a prostitute.. Sorry for the Harsh words..
Pl think women have proved that they are great by their achievements to mention a few Indira Gandhi, kittor Chennamma, Jhansi Rani Lakshmi bai, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandith, Kalpana Chawla Prathibha Patil, Jayalalitha, Mayavathy, Sushma Swaraj .. But they have not opted a short cut like you… Please don’t forget : “ALWAY A SHORT CUT WILL CUT YOU SHORT”

Raghuraj Choudhary Wrote:

Well placed Ur Point actually it was the duty of Females but males had no right to comment on Indian ladies I have come across some females who get allergy with the synthetic material ,

ROHIT SINHA Wrote:

can u pls tell me what is morality?

Prerna, I completely agree with your views. Please keep on enlighting the people and help taking India out of its backward and hypocritical beliefs.

Good Luck ~Amit

Hamid A. Malik Wrote:

I am proud of you Prerna Gupta of bringing this issue of drinking openly which is a taboo in our community and we have double standards imposed by so called hypocrites. Thanks.

praveen bhati Wrote:

nice

Ronald E. Hier Wrote:

You go girl.
I think that you have been Americanized.!
That’s not a bad thing, but it is if you are Indian.
You know that if you where to speak out like this in India, you would have been stoned to death by now.
Women are still suppressed in the USA, but at a more subtle way.
They do NOT get the same pay as men.
They are easily scorned if they do not watch their kids, yet the husband can be a deadbeat dad and leave.
My wife had to teach a man her job, so that he could be her boss, rather than promote her.
Still, you have the right of choice in America.
You are up against a people/religion that is very strict on keeping the ‘old ways’.
That is their paradigm, not yours.
The frustrating thing is that you are fighting a ten thousand year old tradition and they aren’t planning on changing their minds anytime soon.
Try not to get too frustrated. They will not change their mind.
It is OK to vent, but be reasonable about convincing the sect that there should be change.
It will come. But very, very slowly.
Hang in there.

Ganesh Parameswaran Wrote:

Hello Prerna,

I am sorry that you feel hurt by the malicious attacks. But think of it. If you are hurt, then they have won. So just take them as they come and they will come for that’s their character.

I just wish that you moderate your comments and replies. Not because moderated comments and replies will avoid malicious attacks. That does not happen. However, the act of moderation will just allow you time for reconsideration of your views after they are formed. No one can always be correct. Can we be?

Regards.

Ganesh P.

ROXANNE LABEAU Wrote:

Wow,

Hi,

I do not have time to read many things and therefore did not read what this is in response to. But I read this. Don’t you just hate people who think they are better than you? Everyone who responded negatively probably has more skeletons in their closet than you are I could imagine.

I do also feel that the way many Indian women are treated is horrible. I am glad you can stand up to others and have your own rights. It takes courage but you seem to have it. Good for you!

Again don’t let these “Holier Than Thou” people bring you down, there are many millions that are on your side.

Have a great day,

Roxanne La Beau

thank u prema….i appreciate ur clerity of thoughts.(how ever i feel that u shd not have a mentality like ” i do not drink ,my husband too shd not drink..”.why.???

sam george Wrote:

Thanks for your writeup.
Good thinking
regards
Dr Sam

Anjum Sharma Wrote:

absolutely agree with u mam

Best Regards,
Anjum Sharma

J Thomas Scott Wrote:

May I say that you are a smart, attractive and assertive young woman. A quality that most American men like and I think, smart, young Indian men like as well. Or the ones that have been living in England or the United States.
Don’t let these old fashion, thinking people get to you.

kevin hayes Wrote:

to begin with i stand by what you have said here. i feel that you and other ladies have the right to dress as you wish. no one has the right to tell you how to dress. if you wish to drink you have that right also not to be told you can’t. yes i’m an american but i feel that some people do have the right to do what they want as long as they don’t hurt themselves or others.as far as dressing what ever you feel comforable in is your choice not the people that think you shouldn’t. i enjoyed your blog and hope you will respond to what i have said here thank you very much kevin hayes

stéphane ADHIN Wrote:

You are not forbiden to do what you want in your life .MONEY is a great taveller and it’s speak any language in the world.You can pay a travel fare to visit the Moulin Rouge in Paris and you can assist the real life of beautiful angels and what a Nasha you get ??? One cup of wine cost 152 Euros §§§ You are always welcomed my dear Prerna in FRANCE , where life is suitable .

Esmail Waliji Wrote:

I cannot agree more with Prerna, I think women in to-days society should be allowed to wear what they like and do what they like, after all aren’t woman considered responsible and equal?
I as a man have been asked many times why i have worn such and such type of clothes or shoes and i have always retorted by saying “i wear what i like and not what u like”. It is as simple as that
I like women to wear what turns on a man otherwise marriages can be very dull and uninteresting. There are many who think this is retrogressive and obscene, depends on how u look at it. The beautiful things that God in his wisdom has created are to be admired and that is why we praise God for his creation before we do anything for he is befitting to be praised. My dream is one world one people and hugs not drugs. If we hugged each other every day and held hands together in social or other meetings, we could bring around the change we need. When i was young i used to do this at every social function and this used to be the hallmark of my speeches
I like woman who are open and drink socially and at home. For in Vino is veritas, u can get the best out of a woman when she has had a few drinks and the same with men. Making love when u have had a few down your throat, can be a marvelous experience and remember you will always find things looking more beautiful than they actually are when you are in this state. Nothing wrong in drinking in front of your parents, uncles, brothers, sisters etc. And if they are partaking the more merrier and u would be able to get the things u most wanted to discuss and resolve off your chest. Of course moderation is a must
I have been to clubs in Europe and North America where i have seen women wearing hardly anything. There is no shame and people do not even give it a glance because it has become normal and accepted in society. If we go by our religions and cultures, we are going back 50 years or more in history. Did not our ancestors bare their chests and some still do in African countries. More from me later on
Esmail A Waliji

bahadur dorka Wrote:

Hi Prerna,
I think the people who are commenting bad are not evolved into twentieth century. They have the same backward mentality as Talibans and they have little idea as to what the quality of life is. In all respects except their sex, women are same as men. Men should not expect them to bahave different. Alcohol is not poisonous for women. If men can drink there is no harm if women drink.
I have been reading your blog for some time and find your views to be normal. Please take pity on the backward thinking of those people and do not feel bad. You are doing perfectly Ok. Every man and women have only one life and they should live it to the fullest, without causing harm to anyone. Women’s body is made more beautiful by God to be appreciated by men and there is not harm in exhibiting it. In north America, women dress nice, which Talibanis may think provocative, but nobody attacks them physically,without their consent. This is a civilized bahaviour. In India, a beautiful woman will be surely attached if a guy finds a chance, even if she is covered all over. The persons attacking women in pubs/bars are the ones who are goondas of that town hiding behind a curtain of Puritanism. That is a stupid hypocrisy of the Indian society.
Dorka

CHOWDHURY, A K Wrote:

Hello,
Drink if it is good for you, not because your husband drinks.

atul karia Wrote:

Hats off to you!!!!!!!!!!

Anil Joshi Wrote:

Hi Prerna

As regards attck on your moral character, does anybody in the world know who Prerna Gupta is , other than Prerna Gupta. If your family and friends do not access yaari site, nobody knows you and nobody gives a damn either. So why send this mail at all, unless you want fame.

As regards drinking alchol,I agree completely it is your choice. However, the problem is rather more subtle in my view, whatever my view is worth. India is a deeply conservative society, all of it, muslims and hindus particularly and more so muslims largely.

What you see is a reactionary force. Indian politicians use minority vote bank politics for their benefit, this ban on alchol is an extension of that by othe other political forces. All trying to be whiter than white, holier than thou syndrome. In all honesty, this will all die down after the elections. Then, I am sure you can drink as much as you want. I am also sure no one will bother you. Your limited air time would be over.

So good luck, Prerna.

ABD - Mr.Mohan Kumar Wrote:

Dear Prerana,

It seems the reaction to rogue elements in the society who advocate religious intolerance and moral policing is appreciable. At the same time arguing in favour of alcohol intake and skimpy dressing as a right of women seems to be a bit far stretched. it calls for a mature approach to these problems. First take the case of Mangalore pub I have seen some of the photos depicting the illicit activities going on in that place. Do you suggest that descent and well meaning ladies should select an immoral place to exercise their right. Please think over. In these criminalised era decent people men or women should avoid visiting such place for relaxation. Hope my view is not mistaken. This is with good intention.

Mohan Kumar

Nawraj Gurung Wrote:

Hi,

I think I received this mail by defoult. However, it attracted my attention and i read it as i was following the incedent in TV happened in one of the pub in Mangalore.

while I agree that every human beinig has right to do anything which accepted in our respective society. So point here is which society’s norms and values we are talking about.

Another thing I like to highlight is eqality in gender sense does not mean men and Women are bound to do things similarly at given circumstance. We respond to different situation differently governed by our biological differences, environment and social norms. So point here is we need to address the social norms set by our society and tradition.

There is no point contradicting with male folks instead we need to use them and educate them for change as men are the gatekeeper of the change in gender inequality.

As far as I am concern my wife drinks with me occasionally but as mentioned by you, as tonic for relaxing and haviing good times. My wife and her friends accasionally party themselves, where hubands are not allowed to sit at home in that occasion and it actually bind themselves together even though they live in different states. All of them are very good reputted teachers,

Nawraj Gurung

JAWAID WAQAR Wrote:

Dear,

First of I am no one to suggest you, but as you have asked the suggestion so I am just passing my views.

Anyhow Alcohol is not at all good for anyone, as by consuming if a human becomes a beast in attitude sso that thing can never be good for the HUMAN SOCIETY.

Yes, there is a difference between a man and a woman by nature, I just beleive whatever man can do women cant, why?

As men roams around but women does need security, as they themself wants to be a little far from men, like they shouldnt touch their body or so but we never mind if the touch our body, If we fall in sex with them nothing will harm us but its women who has carry on the result of the sex with her. In this way As they give birth to our baby, they feed our baby, they are our prestige in our society, they build our home so they should be very cautious regarding there self image.

I want to tell you that the same goes with men too, They are the fore front of their family or society they should also always respect women and should avoid everything which spoils themselves and their society.

Thanks

Lesley Salage Wrote:

HEY PRERNA,
I DO AGREE WITH U, THOUGH I AM INDIAN TOO BUT I BELIVE IN RIGHTS, MY WIFE IS FROM INDIA TOO BUT I GIVE HER THE SAME FREEDOM THAT I AM LOOKING FOR IN MY LIFE THESE STUPID MEN ARE STILL THINKING THAT THEY CAN GO AND WATCH MUGHRA IN THE BAR WHILE THEY WIFE HAS TO SIT AT HOME AND COOK FOR THEM AND WAIT FOR THEY HUSBANDS TO COME WITH A STIFF TO RELESE IT ON THEM CAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD TO PAY THAT MUGRAH WALIES TO RELESE THEY DESIRE, THESE GUYS ARE NO LESS THEN THE TALIBANS WHO BELIVE IN THEM SELFS, SHOW THEM THE MOVIE ( I WILL NEVER SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE) SALAH USKA LULLIE CATH DHO

mukesh kumar Wrote:

good atricle

mukesh

hem ant0024 Wrote:

gr8 opinion…keeep it up…..

Dushyant Parikh Wrote:

ya is good and u r right.

First I would like to say that I am not a woman, I am not Indian, and neither Hindu nor Muslim. Nevertheless I find it very interesting and what you request for women in your country is not only legitimate but also simply normal. Men and women have or should have the same rights and obligations.
Continue providing me with a view of India.
Continue your fight for eguality.
May the force be with you

Kamalkumar Shahani Wrote:

u r genius………

i appreciate urself, a good personality like u should be there in all indian women

Hi, prarna
your argumant is right but up to a certain extent,
Even our Vedas & upnisha for which das give equal rights & raspects to men & women, the thing for which you are arguing is ok. But if you will search the above books you will also find the rules created by almighty for living in this universe for all the things present in this world.
you had sighted the refrence of ram & sita drinking wine before having sex. it is because they enjoy equal rights as husband & wife in front of each other. did you find any refrence for ram & sita having wine with there in laws (i am talking for both the sides of in-laws). If it was permited then ram would not ask sita for fire test rather he would have accepted her without test & even didnt leave her by hearing the words of a washerman. At the same time when Ram realised his mistake on the words of his sons love & kush and ask sita to come back, sita didnt came back because of her self respect in front of society & that is why people are worshiping them today. Due to this only a principle of boundries/ limitations (Maryada) came into existance in this world & both men/ women are afread of doing certain things in this world. other wise no single daughter/ mother/ other female relatives will remain safe in there house & will be raped by there father/brother/ son/ other male relatives, & vice versa. at the same time females are free to have sex with any male in society & there is no need to built any relations. as soon as a child is born he or she will be thrown out by his mother without the name of his father/ mother.
Here i am not opposing the rights of a women in front of men both enjoy equal right, a wife in front of her husband, both sister & brother enjoy equal rights in front of there parents.

I would like to say that there are certain people in society who had created certain rules in society for there own benefits & these rules are poluting our indian culture due to lack of education in citizens. So insted of having these useless arguments batter we educate the society & save our culture because nowdays even western countries has realised the importance of our indian culture & even they are replacing there western culture with our indian culture.

Anurag Bhargava Wrote:

Hey Ladies,
Drinking is good for everybody so keep drinking if u like and to hell with what the others think.
anurag

arshad shams Wrote:

My Dear Sister,

Assalam U Elekum,

After reading your email I understand that your problim is wather woman can drink alcohol or not or it is only allowed to men,well let me tell you some thing as follows.

1) I am a muslim and i do not belive on drinking for both,woman and men as my religion dose not allow us to drink

2) If you want to get rid of this problum then you
convert your self into muslim and belive me your life
will changed.

3) No one has a right to attack on any bodies personal
or on moral character.This is wrong

4) Your an Indian or any nationalaty has no meaning in
Islam,what counts is that you are a good muslim or
not.

5) Yes, by drinking people harm their body and brain so
do not drink not only you,me and every body should
stop drinking.

Well my sister give your self chance to understand an Islam and see how your life is change and i am sure and belive that you will feel much secure in Islam than any other religion.I will pray to God for you that he always keeps his blessing on you.

If you need any help pls dot hassitate to contact me.

Take care

Regards

Your Brother.

go prerna go..
v are all with u…

Dear Prernaji Gupta,

After reading your comments on various attacks I think they are thoughts after provocation and are a bit away from being just and rational. Though I agree it may be man’s world and despite woman’s lib started way back in 1975 died its own death Still it is difficult to be rational sometimes because what we do is consequential and circumstantial. I will like to mention here one of the heart to heart being a man feeling in general without being hypocrite

? A MAN WILL LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY INTIMATE AFFAIRS STILL LOOK FOR A VIRGIN WIFE ?

Anil Garg

Have u ever stopped to thing all these people are just straight idiots. And no need to argue because you can’t argue with stupid they don’t get it now then or ever so I say a BIG FU to men who treat their women that way and don’t worry they all face some god on judgement day and I hope its my god he don’t like ugly AMEN

Saeed Minhas Wrote:

i agree with prerna on this subject that we should not get ito personal things n should focus on light things instead. Evereyone is sane, adult and free to do whatever he/she believes in and thats the hallmark of the free society and free debating blogs like this. so guys pls show decency and respect for each other.

regards

s minhas

Saleem Shaikh Wrote:

Guys I really dnt know what this is all about but I know one thing for sure let’s not expect every one to behave like we do. For ex if you dnt drink that good or bad that’s your decision if if gives you pleasure do it as long as we don’t harm any one and are in our limits. About the movies yes many of us want to see. Obsene kisses and sexual scenes in movies and just a small one second peek at an actors cleavage excite most so its incorrect to accuse others when we ourselves have a lot of filth to hide. Under the rug. Let’s not use relegion as a weapon let it be islam or hinduism no god dam religion teaches anybody to steal cheat rape or do any unjust or immoral act. We have seen many acts of terrorism in the name of religion [ ISLAM] But my frnds being a muslim I confirm am proud to say ISLAM does not teach violance nor does any other religion.Let’s leave the political parties and religious fanatics continue doing their crap cause that’s all they are fit for they make money. You and me need to use our minds and rea”ise we are INDIANS and won’t allow any intruder weather Laskare toiba,ISI,Dawat E Islam Osama or any other terrorist outfil to break our unity simultaniously nor should we allow any Pink chaddi clan or ram sena or shiv sena to dictate terms to us on celebrating Valentines day or 31st . Let’s unite and kick these enemies on their Ass so that they never dare to even think about screwing around wth us again.

Regards

Saleem Shaikh

Blue Akash Wrote:

prerna – thanks for your nice comments.

Please do not stop writing/voicing a topic because it appears that nothing is changing. Look at the wealth of conversation you have created here; scanning the posts above it is not the majority suggesting that there is no point.

Bullying takes so many forms, yet maintains a central theme~ what I want is more important. In my home country of Australia a form of gender bullying continues~ this is one of life’s mysteries for me~ why do some people (in this instance a particular group of men) need others (i.e. all women) to believe they are of less value? Do those people really have such meaningless, insecure lives? I mean~ is that it…how boring.

And perhaps that is where the violence arises from, bored lives bubbling away, reminding them of how really scared of the world they are. And that by trying to control others, they can somehow bring satisfaction to thier lives.

How needy.

Such power I have as a woman to scare such men to need to group, cheat, bully and manipulate. And it is never my heart-mind-soul they can assimilate~ they need to rig the game when they play.

pathetic.

Equality between genders –> global peace

Dear Arshad Shams,

Arshand Shams wrote ” If you want to get rid of this problum then you convert your self into muslim and belive me your life will changed.”

Arshad : Lots of my friends follow Islam and religion has never played any role in our friendship.

Islam is a great religion, so is Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism, Christainity and millions more religious and non religious faiths and beliefs.

Religion is a pure private mater and let us keep this forum free from Religious Activities.

Ramana Kumar.Ch.N.V Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

Just now got ur blog on the different responses from people who opposed drinking and saying all bull shit that “its not good for women”. Once again i will support your ideology of taking drinks in a limited manner.

I will quote my example here i started taking drinks at the age of 32 only and now iam a occasional drinker and my wife also knows that i take it very sparingly and even asked my wife to taste it quite a few times which she also relished. For this i felt happy that she has shown some interest to taste it. Why should i restrict her for that.

Go ahead prerna u have every right to do as u wish and stick to ur feelings. Do whatever which gives happiness to u but not for others.

Bye for now. Keep mailing.

@Hardy.799

Dear hardy: PERONAL ATTACKS ARE INTOLERABLE. PRERNA IS “STANFORD EDICATED”, MODERN, WELL TO DO GIRL. SHE IS “CEO”.

IF YOU DON”T KNOW THE REPUTATION OF “STANFORD”, ASK SOME ONE PLEASE.

STOP DEROGATORY REMARKS. YOU ARE A COWARD ?,

Dear hardy: PERONAL ATTACKS ARE INTOLERABLE. PRERNA IS “STANFORD EDUCATED”, MODERN GIRL, FROM WELL TO DO FAMILY. SHE IS “CEO”, A MOST RESPONSIBLE ROLE IN ANY ORGANIZATION.

IF YOU DON”T KNOW THE REPUTATION OF “STANFORD”, ASK SOME ONE PLEASE.

STOP DEROGATORY REMARKS. YOU ARE A COWARD ?,

Prateek Mishra Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

there is a very old saying..” TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE FOOD”, this is what is the condition with our system. Too many religions to steer the people into a big ditch of fake emotions. And as i have already said, every incidence has a poilitico back hand.

Dear hardy.799:

PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE INTOLERABLE. PLEASE REFRAIN DOING SO.

PRERNA HAS WORKED HARD TO ACHIEVE WHAT SHE WISHED FOR. SHE IS ASSET TO SOCIETY NOT A LIABILITY. PEOPLE LIKE PRERNA CREATE JOBS.

PROVE YOUR WORTH TO SOCIETY AT LARGE ?. STOP MAKING DEROGATORY PERSONAL REMARKS.

satish patel Wrote:

Hi Prerna,

I agree with you 100 %, don’t be discouraged by few bad apples… more power to u….

I am with you in spirit.

I enjoy reading your blog.

Regards Satish…

@hardy.799

Dear Hardy: In civilised society, “social pest’s” are removed through legal procedure and eventually eliminated from society for ever. I am sure GOD(Allah or Lord Ram or Son of God Jesus) also knows where to rest them forever.

YOUR PERSONAL COMMENTS ABOUT “PRERNA” ONLY TELLS WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT BACKGROUND IS ?.

Hai every one,
I am appreciate every one because not only women most of the man also accepted the girls veiws. Really i am also an opponent for siva sena or some bloody religious politics. We have to take a step for the punishment. They are perfectly idiot. They never have a rights to order a neighbour(all Indians). As per law they never have a rights to order their family members. These bloody beggers think that they are the genius in the world actually they are the worst criminals in the world.
Before accepting why no one considered your views with doctor or experienced people in the world about female.
Basically women body condition are very worst. They cant act like male (they know where are the places) Their physical and mental is not suit for drinking and smoking. Some one said that why u r not stop the habit of boys. Who encourages boys, just like u only people encourages everyone. Drinking and smoking hazardous to every one. If you drink your chilren also wants to do the same thing, If you give the practice its really good for your child.
What you said you took drinks less than a limit. Do you know one thing human wants never have an end. Today you start up with one glass, after one week it will increase. Dont said that its not. Its a human psycology. If you practice something for 20 days it automatically intend you to addict (It may be food or drinks or anything else).
We are not opposed for ladies drinking we are opposed for drinking and smoking. We are not care about male or female drinking. I am not a bloody religious politician. I am a normal human being in the world.
Dont encourage everyone for drinking. You already addict for that Even if you try to avoid that its not very easy for you, so that only you argue here. Try to avoid that and dont dont dont repeat the same.
Its not a brother advice its an obligation.
Thank You,
By,
Deivam’S.

JAI SHRI KRISHNA:

Well, miss gupta i got your mail this morning. But really i am missing the central idea of the mail, may be my lack of understanding. I can not decide either you are in the favour of drinking or not. What so ever, that is your own opinion or peoples’ opinion. We can not impose our ideas or thought to others similarly we (atleast i ) can not adopt others habbits of doing things, as people do in today’s society.

My point of view in this regard is as simple that drinking is not only the way to have fun in the life or being happy. There are plenty of more things that people can do to make their life cool. For instance, keep smiling while talking others, providing help assistance to those who really need this, keeping the environment or sorrounding peaceful. And the most important thing for me is to have respect for parents, teachers and elderly people.

ahmad faisal barakzai Wrote:

I am strongly agree you.
good luck

pedro baledrokadroka saneqar Wrote:

interesting

SHERRIE MAWYER Wrote:

You go girl!

Sudhir Srivastava Wrote:

Totally agree with your point of view. what is sauce for goose is sauce for gander. carry on and best of luck.

Neeraj Mishra Wrote:

Hope this will change a (1) sole of this world if not all.
N drinking habbite changes.

Good Morning
Neeraj

reji thomas Wrote:

Dear Ms Prerna Gupta,

It is encouraging to live in our on sense of world. Your views pertaining to your mind set is good, as you are living a happy
daring life.

Move on

Best wishes

REji

Pravin Patel Wrote:

gr8

akhilesh gupta Wrote:

Dear Prenra
I read the comments and your replies. Really , U are very rich of all excellent qualities. You have written all point by point very nicely. I am staying in Jakarta for last one year Time is changing. Women are equal in all repect. There is no gender difference in any activities, social, financial or any matter. Here I found ladies are all free and adopt their life style as they wish. India is changing, but still we are very much conservative, narrow minded…….
within 5 to 10 years all will change.
Prerna u are great. keep it up
Regards
akgupta

nataraj jyothi Wrote:

namaskar

i dont know how to start many dear mam drinking or not, a women is near i mean the place of her is god -(ma)

na sthri swathanthra marhathi in sanskrit

which mean she has a limited independes or she is bone and then at 12 of her its ageing and getting married then childrens looking after them and all all it go’s like this
were ever there is a (+) there is a (-) these (+) and (-) = power this is natural its the law of nature and the same is not made by us if distrubed nature will not tolarate

both (+) and (-) are equal in power i belive in this becouse i love nature, human and sea animals , greenary, and all

some people dont know this what to do well i have a lot to say sorry its better next time i dont want to distrube you and your time

who said about alcohol is good? can u send the publications? don’t go in a way what ever u people do in pubs and diskos good to society

Prerna,

If this was a way of expressing your distress, then the post pretty much served the purpose. If this was to answer back “certain elements”, then might I suggest, that you recognize the fact that you are above this, and they don’t even merit your attention (and hence the post).

ravi damodaran Wrote:

Thats the spirit Prerna – sock it to them (all the male-chauvinists) but remember like no one asked how much you drank, everyone assumes there are no chivalrous men around. I may be getting on in age but if I was there or anywhere where women were being attacked I would have broken a few bones of a couple of guys

sanjoy sachdev, President Delhi Pradesh National Panthers Party Wrote:

Thanks for the massage. As the world is aware that we the panthers oppose fundamentalist Sri Ram Sena and alike and support equal rights for all the females of the world. You may read more on any website by putting search words ” Sachdev Panthers Valentine” All progressive males and females can feel to call Panthers on 09312563034 or 09313784375

Thanks and greetings for keeping the debate alive
sanjoy sachdev

sanjoy sachdev, President Delhi Pradesh National Panthers Party Wrote:

Hi prerna,

I would also like to discuss the issues in detail with you and let us unite to fight all anti women devils of the fundamentalist and orthodox society.

Sanoy Sachdev

hi prerna,
i’m reading your blog regularly since i’m getting it.i think you are thinking rightly.actually we don’t have courage to discuse what we actually wanted to.you can say we are double minded or we are not sure about what we are doing.drinking is bad for men and women when taken in excess and not only in india it is allover the world.alcohol have the same effect.politician are relating this thing to indian culture,drinking and sex are the accepted everywhwere.when you are talking of equality of men and women how you can diffrentiate them in drinking or having sex with thier own will.they should be equal in every sense.so prerna keep bloging and doing the things like that.congrate…. keep it up.

Dear Prerna,
I just want a simple clarification. You know I appreciate and support the spirit of your efforts.And I think i would continue to support your cause of liberation for the individual. And that individual includes women. But some people are alleging that your deleting and expunging the contents of what they have written on the blog. I feel that you must have a reason .So please clarify on that. As if left unclarified this will hurt the very cause of the free expression of the individual. Take care. love ankur. please do reply back.

Hello Prerna,
You seem to be a very modern woman talking freedom of speech for women,equality and the right to do whatever the indian woman would like to do.Great but the standard you have chosen is not indian.You have chosen the western standard to evaluate the indian woman.Is going to the pub the way to show your evolution toward liberation?or hanging around a guy shows your freedom?People like you have chosen the freedom to tarnish the whole concept of being Indian.How would you feel when your 13 year old daughter would phone and tell you that she is spending the night with his boyfriend,or how will it sound when your husband comes home and tell you darling i have my girlfriend who is spending the night with us.Will you gladly accept all this?Deep down yorself you know you will never let this happen but still you feel offended when people are voicing our their feelings.I think people have the right to express their views and i presume that is what your blog is meant for.let us agree on one thing ,that we are losing our true identity and we are trying to rediscover ourself.If this is what you call modernity,then to hell with your modernity.While the west is turning to your culture,you guys are losing yourselves to what many in the west are rejecting.i do not know how many years you have spent in the west but if you did you probably only knew the pub people and their world of false beliefs.
India has a culture which the world respects but which the indian rejects,india has a democracy which the world looks to but which the indians do not even understand.

Hi Prabhakur

Educated Indian girls(ladies) now a days are far more modern than rest of the world?. so which standard you are talking?.

Tiny sense of Humor ?

Hi Ankur :: Are you in love?

Dear Ankur:

@Ankur you made few comments about me being ignorant about religions. Ankur: As per my little knowledge: We respect all religions. That is part of our(Indian) constitution also.

I will highly appreciate if you can quote me a single line from Holy Quran, Holy Bible, Guru’s Grunth or Holy Geeta which states :: Hate Others, those who follow different religion don’t deserve to live. I NEED A PROPER REFERNCE INCLUDING PAGE NUMBER.

PLEASE : A PROPER QUOTE OR REFERENCE FROM “HOLY QURAN”. TAKE HELP OF A MOLVI, HE WILL BE DELIGHTED TO HELP YOU.
(For record sake: Islam is not my religion)

To Ankur:
This is in response to your reply to Sunil’s comments on limits and decency.
Do you like to see your mother moving nude and enjoy the beauty in it?
Do you think humans deserve to mate with mother or sister just like animals?
Do you like your friend enjoy seeing your wife in nudity and subsequently want to have sex with her?
I know I have exceeded my limits on decency. But if it serves the right purpose, I am glad.

Dear Shane,
You have got it right. I am absolutely in love. in love with this life.With the green trees, and red flowers and food and wine and woman and sex. I m in love with everything that is life.And the same love inspires me to hate everything that is anti-life [like repression moralists, misogynists etc]. And please before passing a judgement on the modernity of indian woman please take a ride of foreign countries. You will be shell-shocked at the backwardness of indian woman.educated or otherwise.take care.love ankur.

Dear Aussie,
I dont need to go to maulvis. Do you know why the Satanic verses by Salman Rushdie created such a furore in the Islamic world. Well Rushdie quoted the verses from Islam. These verses included one which said that anybody who doesn’t believe in Allah is a kafir. And the biggest obligation of the believers of Allah is to wage a holy war against these non-believers or kafirs and wipe them off the face of the planet. Rushdie further said that such verses cannot come from the mouth of a prophet. It can only come from the mouth of the satan. And that is why he named the book ‘Satanic verses’. The book is still banned in Islamic countries and in India. Ayatollah Khoemni ,the religious head of Iran’ put a million dollar reward on the head of Rushdie. Rushdie therefore had to go underground and for more than a decade he lived under the security of the british government. I would advise u to order that book through amazon.you will get the page nos and all that.Though most of the book is extremely boring to read. take care love ankur

Dear Aussies,
And the present-day millitants and fundamentalists quote the same texts about waging a holy war or jihad against the non-believers.
And yes our constitution says that we should respect all religions. Dont you have your mind to decide what is right or wrong. The constitution was drafted by a constituent Assembly of five fools and jokers. It was to indulge nehru and protect the interests of the politicians. You can debate me on that .but that on a different day. i just want to say that all holy books including geeta,koran and bible should be burnt. The greatest number of murders have been committed in the name of organised religion.Atrocities against woman have been committed in the name of religion.
Religion should be of the individual and not of the group. I also appreciate your many other observations and totally agree with some of them. Like most Indians are hypocrites and woman in sari have been raped more than women in jeans and minis.I totally agree with them. Take care.Keep writing.God bless you. love ankur.

Dear Ankur

I need the paragraph and page number from Holy Quran which spells hatred for other religions. Please.
(That is what I asked for). You are telling me what I already know(About Salman Rushdie).

“I AM A HINDU, I LOVE ALL RELIGIONS”.

hey aussie what is the issue here. i was not telling you about salman rushdie. Since you are raising doubts about what i attributed to islam, i was giving you the proof. If you already know about salman rushdie and satanic verses then you shouldn’t have asked me about the page no.Or are you saying that Rushdie was deceiving people when he quoted the text from islam. Well even Ayotallah didn’t doubt the authencity and veracity of the text.
I m no foolish scholar of islam. And u can also check it on google yourself. you will find those text. So why squabble on petty issues.

and aussie i will tell u something very simple. Why do you think when Osama bin ladin attacks world trade centre he calls his terrorist attack a jihad, a holy war. Because it is givenn in koran. The world jihad has come from koran. Young boys who execute these terrorist attacks by killing themselves are assured by the words of koran that if they kill non-muslims they would be assured a place in jannat.take care.love ankur

Prabhakur Wrote:

Hello Shane,
You missed my points completely.What is your definition of modernity?Is going to the pub modernity?Or is changing boy or girlfriends every other day a measurement of modernity?There is no doubt that the indian girls are modern.What i am trying to tell you guys is that we have more things to offer to the world than we are trying to copy from them.Your culture is a culture which has been in existance for millenia and people from every corner of the world have flocked to your great country to enrich themselves while you have not understood it at all.

Prabhakur Wrote:

Dear Ankur,
I have read through your comments and i have the strong feeling that you are not in love but you are confused.You have mixed up everything.
(1).You talk about the indian woman as backward!!.You must be very ignorant to say so.If the indian culture is still strong and alive to-day its thanks to the indian woman who has kept and still keeping the family together.(I will not elucidate on this.)
(2).i do not know about other religious books.But when you say that the Geeta should be burnt,it only shows the shallowness of your mind in as far as the Hindu religion is concerned.Just to let you know of our religion,go with a cool mind and submissiveness to your holy Geeta,if you are a hindu,and learn the beauty of the Geeta and imbibe the knowledge it has to offer to miserable souls like you.Just to let you know of one recent hapenning.Do you know of the Hedron collider?? Have you ever heard of it?? Well, it is the greatest particle accelerator so far and is situated in Switzerland.Guess what!!!The world’s greatest scientists have decided to place a huge Natraj there.This is what our religion is all about.(Go ,find some time and read more about the hindu Gods if you want to know the greatness of the hindu religion)
And Ankur,Love NEVER inspires hatred as you have mentioned in your statements which just show how you are frustrated,confused and full of hatred.
By the way,for your information,i have travelled a lot in 4 continents from africa to Asia,from europe to America and all i have seen is the greatness of the indian woman in all fields.take care.

hardy.799 Wrote:

Why did you get angry on my question Prerna?..I am suggesting you to
do IT. Let all women sleep with other men (and vice versa)..Let all
girls/boys lose their virginity before marriage..Let there be no
difference between Indian and western culture.Is that all you want?

krushnat mane Wrote:

hi Prena,
u r living ur own life.
u r free take desigen about ur life.
but take care it will not affect others

Animesh Mondal Wrote:

Dear Prerna

you are fit for the Indian Woman, your managed everything for in every situation.

Rajashree Bhise Wrote:

Really it’s true situation, u r very correct1

prachet mishra Wrote:

These are all nonsence.

I beleave Women is the creater of the Universe and day will come this beutiful creation of almighty will be destroyed by the Women itself.

The world has seen the motivations and powers of Rani Laxmi Bai, Rani Jeeja Bai, Sarojinii Naidu eighteen centuries and you can say Mother Teresa and Indira Gandi of twenty first century. They were not wereing pink chaddi or cocktel dress. But they have created histrory of their own and nation is also prooud for them.

Then, come to the point. In India or you can say (other than Indian says it Hindusthan) every body has got his/her own own right of living. You are also welcome with your own choice of living with “CHHADI AND BRA” . You can also keep your name in Grinis Book of world record if you will not wear any thing. Its your choice.

Yours sincerely.

Basudev Dutta Wrote:

To be a true Indian everyone must read your blogs.

Thanks for being so simple & for not showing personality.

Basudev Dutta

Vishal Srivastava Wrote:

I think morality has got to be interpreted over the framework you belong , and your drinking alcohol isn’t something people should have paid attention to . Your fight against people fearing change is laudable , but implementation lacks substance , you need to base it on truth first be true to yourself .
V Srivastava

PRAVEEN SINGH Wrote:

dear,
whatever you have written in this mail i read it carefully but it seems that, you are the devotee of gori skin… and u have lack of understand things… wht they actually are.
you are quite unkown by the trick of english people they have how many tricks to rule over our country..becouse of people like u are in this same country. AB is not so fool like others he knows the reallty slumdog is not such a good movie,, as bollywood made in past..but unfortunately these all are directed by indians .. so they cannt win oscar,,, its trick to rule over bollywood now every producer would like to invite foreigner as a director who will make film portrael bad factors of india………. and indian public will blindly follow them….. dear english are the very cruel….. its just starting….. one answer is wrong in this film but nobdy cares.. Darshan do Ghanshyam….not written by Surdas..

rahul aggarwal Wrote:

ok prena i m 100% satusfy by ur comments….but why we indians are using these types of traditions which are hurt the indian women, there are lots of things to change in a man, to change the wrong thinking wbt women, to change the wrong thinking dat whatever he is doing is correct n whatever a lady is doing is wrong, first of all we (males) open the shame of lady and after her reacting we use to point out the things abt her chararcter…and dat is absoultry wrong…take care, have a nice day

Rahul Kr. Bansal

Madihur Rehman Wrote:

Dear Ms Prerna Gupta,
Hats off to you. My respect for you owes itself not to the fact that
you dared to express your views on an issue that is controvertial, or
that your views run contrary to the views of a shrill minority that
holds power at the moment in our society. My respect owes itself to
your ability to continue expressing your views despite the fact that
there are no takers for them, and they seem to be making little
difference. From personal experience, I know that talking to a wall is
the most frustrating thing, and most of us lose heart and give up. So
lady, you must have a very strong convictions to work against your
frustrations.
As for the matter at hand, I fully agree with you that women should
not be treated as the sole guardians and personification of morality
and ethics. What is good for the goose, must be good for gander. Not
only that, nobody has the right to interfere with other people unless
their actions interfere with the other person’s life.
So, carry on lady. Let’s hope our individual efforts will have
cumulative effect in near future.

john aweh Wrote:

Dear yaari,
I read your inciteful social comment and I must admite that I’m impressed.
I’m really grateful to you for always wanting to share some of the hotest debate on our most diverse growing global environment.I believe this will go along way to change people psychologically,emotionally and socially.
What I want to share or contribute towards your topical issues is that it is not always that women have to be inferior before men be it religious conception or what.When God created man,woman was later created from a rib of the man at the request of the latter.
So,if a man knows that he beat the wife when drank for christ sake it is better to stop or drink moderately in order to fulfill the the requirement of God’s established marriage institution.
Yes.Some women smetimes dresses so irritatingly that,it attracts everybody’s attention.
This is one of the key factors for rape cases,sexual abuse and harassment.When some men are ttracted to these inviting body exposures,they are easily turned on and would do all in their power to get their victims.I mean this is common.
So I do agree that dressing on the side of women should be reviewed through regious means and other measures.
I think men should also see women as normal.Something part of our society and should try their possible best to control or restrain themselves from being easily turned on.
Thank you

Atul Kumar Wrote:

no body can attacks on ones moral if she is strong headed and wise, these are the thoughts of the particular society which differs geographically, why shouting. The man / woman is possessive by nature and it is the out come of your these views regards Atul

dhanraj p vishwakarma Wrote:

1. LET US MAINTAIN THE CONGENIAL ENVIRONMENT IN THE SOCIETY.

2. AVOID WESTERNIZATION.

3. BE CULTURED TILL MARRAIAGE

4. KEEP YOUR OWN SOCIAL VALUES HIGH

5. OPEN MIND BESIDES OPENING CLOTHES.

BHILAI

Anil Dhupar Wrote:

i do not agree with ur point no 3..no dress will ever excite a man of character…

KOSHAL NAROLIYA Wrote:

Hai Prerna

Me apke ke vicharo ki kadra karta hu or women rights ko support bhi karta hu, me nari ka samman karna chahta hu, kyonki bhagwan ne use srajan ka adhikar diya hai, purusho ko nahi diya. nari ko komalta, attrection or kamukta pradan ki he, jo purusho ko nahi di, bahut sari baten aisi hai jo nari ko purusho se alag karti hai. Nari or purush ke bich ka antar hi nari ko samman pradan karta he. itihas gawah raha he ki nari ne srajnatmakta me bahut bade ayam khade kiye hai. Lekin bahut bar jillat or jalalat bhi sahi hai, jo ki galat hai. Nari samaj hamesh nai generation ke liye prerna strot raha hai. Lekin kahi aisa na ho jaye ki barabari ki dod me nari apni mool pahchan hi kho jaye. Apko Rajasthan Patrika ke sampadak Sh Kothari ji ke lekh or literature padna chahiye, Kyonki ap shakti ka bhandar hai, agar yeh shakti galat tarike se use hui to yeh hamare liye bahut galat hoga

manoj singh Wrote:

Dear Prerna Ji,

As you sow so you reed then how a bitch can give birth to a human being? It is also true that if a person has not been taught to respect others, how he can? As the root lies from his family. I don’t blame such people as they must have heard such abusive language from no one else but their parents.

Beside all this, this is a known fact that few things are meant to secrete and that is why every bed room has its bathroom. This is the foremost responsibility of women to look for her family and to make her home a sweet one. In Hindu culture, we are taught to pray and give respect to our mother even before God or Almighty. But on the other hand, a father can not hold that position. On the other hand, not even in India alone, love stands for sex in all over the world and it has become an universal truth. Any denial to this vital fact is not admissible. Can anyone reply me that what shall happen when a son will come to know that her mother had a lot of boy friends in her past? If you talk about social drinking of a female, I must say that having a little drink in once in a blue moon is something different but we must borne in our mind that such type of things starts from socially but in the end, one gets convert in a regular drinker. I do believe in Gandhi Ji’s autobiography wherein he mentioned that liquor is worst for human being as after having it, a man forgets the relation of brother and sister. Of-course, the persons I talked about in my first para, having no sense, basically come from such type of families only.

jai goswami Wrote:

Really nice to hear this.. i stand with ur view..

Extremely happy to note ur content

R Ravi Bharadwaj Wrote:

It is pathetic thinking. you are not fit to be born in the Country like INDIA.

If your mindset require to do all the activities like Men,
This is not the Country to do so.

You can migrate to any Country where you can do all.

India is the Country where some VALUES & ETHICS
still exists. Moral Principles takes note.

Sri Ram Sene is fighting for a CAUSE. The method of some people might be wrong.

Understand the CULTURE.

BEHAVE like a WOMEN having certain MENTAL VALUES.

Your attitude doesnot warrant any sympathy.

Women in INDIA has HIGH RESPECT and have great HUMAN VALUES attached to it. They have a definite role to play in the SOCIETY.

If some MEN make mistakes, you mean to say all and women like you has to follow it.

SHAME ON YOU.

Follow the good steps. Not the steps mentioned.
Of course not – PUB Culture – Drinking, Skimpy Clothes.

Your Parents are answerable to your question.
They have not brought you up properly.

We feel pity to you and other people like you.

Dhanam Jayan Wrote:

Dear Prerna Gupta,

I understand you but I cant explain everything through mail unless we meet. There is false impression on womens that they are physically weak but I sometime noticed they are more strong in stamina than a man. I am having a understanding that a women has got more tending attitude to man than himself and vice versa. But due to physical appearance and hormones women need to be womenish. This is task given to us by nature to succeed. I not only come to conclusion that whatever I think is correct, but refer to the experience of our ancestors and their ancestors. Luckily we have some preachings which is shown to us in the form of book. There is big difficulty for a youngster like you to even read because there are some thoughts some books shouldnot kept in house and some statutes or photos shouldnot kept in house which made distance from our loving ancestors.

mmmm I will do one thing I form a dialogue between us (imagination):

Me: what you do if some one is wrong?
you: I will be queit.
Me: Then what for God make you to see it?
You: I am an athiest
Me: I like your arguement. As a human what you did
You: Thats why I scold him/her in my mind
Me: Fine, Is the scolding will make him understand that he is wrong
You: That I wont bother, I just want to go shoping I saw it.
Me: Very cleaver. T

mujeeb hussain Wrote:

Dear Prerna

I strongly opppse the act by an irrsponcable nonsence drug addict peoplem we are not in Akdar or ranapratap sing tine we are developed and educated time we made it we have right to enjoy it, this is totally against law and humanbehaviour. this has to be taken seriously and this people shoul be seriously delt kill them/

thnak you
mm hussain
Mumbai

A.Jamal Abbasi Wrote:

Dear Prena,
I am not a prude, and I accept that people have freedom to act in the manner they think fit, as long as it does not adversely effect or offend the others and the society.
But on the other hand, such moral values that we accept and observe are not man made, their source is divine, and they were revealed and enforced for the good of the Mankind.
However the acceptance or the rejection of these values varies from society to society, and the Hindu Dharam is perhaps more liberal in this regards than the other faiths, such as Judaism, Christianity or Islam.
This fact is borne out by the Reliefs and Paintings on the walls and columns of the Temples, where Diotas and Davies are shown in sexual embraces.There is also ample Hindu literature on the subject of sex such as Kam Shaster, Kokh Shaster and the Kama Sutra. I do not know the source of this literature, but it is, and has been extant in the Indian society for ages.
Given the above facts, and the sexual freedom displayed on the Indian movies as pointed out by the aggrieved Lady, I would venture to say that her condemnation by the so called conservatives is no more than the ‘Pot calling the Kettle black’.
One word on the subject of Drinking; the only problem with it is that the capacity to absorb alcohol and remain rational varies from person to person, and also in the same person, depending on whether it is consumed on an empty stomach, or after eating a reasonable amount of food. I know people who can consume half a bottle of Scotch with out batting an eyelid, and I have seen others become irrational and abusive, and go berserk. That is the only effect that must be guarded against.
With kindest regards.
Jim

sumit gupta Wrote:

hi prerna,
impressed by your attitude,
that’s the way to go,
man was born free and society has schackled hin down.
they may tie down our bodies all they want but the spirit is free to roam.
u are doing the right thing by living your life to the fullest.
damn thoser who dont.
bye
sumit.

Hi Prerna!

You are right in the middle of Dog fight now!
The first rule to win this battle is to deny the Battle!

Who is fighting whom? Let us draw the line.
Old has to fight new. Happened go Galileo and many greats earlier on, which is also true about ideologies.

The Orthodox Christian belief of Creation is eating mud in the face of advancements made by science which has thrown away all that is in their testaments.

The terrorism brewing in middle east is about not granting equal rights to women.
Some changes are painful although desirable. As long as it is in manageable proportion we are safe.
Communists fought the Capitalists so fiercely, it is to believed that Trillions of Dollars and Millions of Man years were invested in Destroying a Book ‘Das Capital’. Result is, we still do not know if Capitalism is good or Communism is Bad!
Communism is as good as dead in the form it took shape during the Last century, but look at Capitalism. Wall street should be renamed ‘Disaster Street’. Hardly any rationale.

As far as ‘Drinking’ is concerned, we Indians are never introduced to it in a proper manner at all, thus the resultant position being the behavior of ‘loot minded’ binging and ruckus after being totally drunk. You might as well enjoy a Drink if you feel like notwithstanding your spouse having one. A fine Drink with a good movie or a Book or watching the Sunset or Stars is anyone’s idea of blessed solitude. Ask me for recipes, I have some still green in my memory.

I used to enjoy my Drinking. It used to be like a fine Romantic affair. Just gave it up few years ago as the company I kept (they are kinda who is who) did not measure up. Golf came in as a good substitute and is here to stay!

I wish you would simply delete that blog and free that valuable space in your Mind for gainful endeavors!

All ‘isms are for time being only. You do not have to justify whatever you do as long as you have not infringed on anyone’s right. Nobody is qualified to sit in Judgment of such aspects.

Have a Nice Day!
Best regards,

Nagesh H

Dear Kathir,
If my mother enjoys walking nude, i m nobody to try to curb her. And if my wife enjoys being nude with my friend and fucking her, i m again nobody to try to control her. The point is who I am to control somebody else and more so especially if she is a woman. At the most if I dont like my wife sleeping with my friend i can at the most take divorce from her.
And just see what sexual repression does. You talk about sleeping with your mom and sister. khatir if you are sexually expressed and you are leading a totally healthy life, u will never think of fucking your sister even if she walks naked before you. It just happens because you are so intimate with her. But if you are sexually repressed forget sisters and mothers, you will do it with animals. You know khatir nowhere in the world beastiality is outlawed except in sexually repressed societies of Saudi Arab and middle eastern countries. Because no where in the world beastiality happens except in Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries. Beastiallity for your information is sexual intercourse with animals. Now beastiallity is a totally Arabian phenomena. Now in Arabian countries the rich sheikhs get a lot of women. But the relatively poorer ones get nothing except probably their wife. There are no other vents available like prostitutes, blue films or oogling at beaautiful woman in the market place. And they dont masturbate because it is anti-islamic. So they do it with animals. Ofcourse then the local governments outlawed it. but ot os still very prevalent.

Dear khatir,
Now some foolish porn makers of America have made X-rated films on beastiallity.So now its available in the market. But this is the height of sexual perversion.And sexual repression leads to sexual perversion . So see khatir how you have started thinking about having sex with your mother and sister. Probably next you will indulge in beastiallity.
The point is that intimacy with mothers and sisters are altogether of a different kind. But one think i would make clear. If somebody indulges in such kind of incestuous behavior, doing it with his mother and sister with mutual consent, its his life. Society and nobody else can interfere in that. And having sex with your mom and sis can be at the most sexual perversion. But no sin in the eyes of god. Not any more sin than fighting with your mom or sis. take care.love ankur.

Dear Prabhakur ,
How are you? Thanks for responding to my comments. I will reply in the same order in which you have made your arguements.
a)Yeah I have said the Indian woman is backward. When you compare her with women in the West the indian women is very backward. This is because the woman cannot be different from the society. The society is backward and therefore the Indian women is. Indian women is sexually repressed, superstitious, less individualistic, less healthy, less feminine and more male like, less self-reliant, has less freedom of thought and is less aware than woman in the west. And not only that the formal female literacy rate is one of the least in the world.And the Indian government recognises this. So whatsoever you argue, facts betray you.
And please dont talk of this crap of preserving the Indian culture. When William Bentick was trying to abolish Sati fools like you argued that he was destroying the indian culture.

There is no body who has right to say that Pream Gupta cannot be fit to be an Indian women. I Perhaps would like to say that men who feel like that want keep Indian women into cage for ever and do what want usually want to do. Why should be women kept responsible to be very close to yard stick of so called morals. There may be one point I would to emphasize that is, she must not let her self be exploited as the things may just fall in a reverse direction.

I think Alcohol is useful and there is good concentration of Alcohol in out Cough Syrup. What I want to say is though some of our friend may not know they will be still drinking alcohol in the form of medicine.

Women should not dress provocatively, because it will incite men’s animal instincts.
Women is a like a Rose, to be adored and the best companion for the men. I know people who feel very very sexy end up snoring on the bed and the lady waiting for him to finish his job. So men are educated animals and must remain. Otherwise what is the difference between Hume being and pig or dog in a ditch.

Dear Prabhukar,
And please stop this nonsense of Indian joint family system. Its good that the joint families are disintegrating. Joint family system was most exploitative for women. Go to your nearest police headquarters. Ask them about the rape-data of the rural areas of your city. The police inspector will invariably tell you two things. First there are more rapes in the rural areas than in urban areas. Secondly most of these rapes are committed by the family members of the woman living in the joint family system. Like brother-in-law raping the woman.Most village families are joint families. Joint families make woman more vulnerable. The whole day that woman in joint families do is to cook food. That is their life. When wages were low joint family was an economic response. Brothers lived together. They Pooled in their small wages and the family survived. Now with wages being high there is no need for that.

Dear Prabhukar,
The answer to your second arguement. The Geeta is the most beautiful book . I agree. But you see you have not understood geetha. Do you know what is the lask thing , the last shloka of geeta. At the end of Geeta Krishna tells Arjun:
“Arjun I have told you everything about everything. But remeber only one thing. That whatsoever you do, dont follow me or anybody else, just follow your heart. And you will be always right. Dharma is only that , that comes from your being, from your own heart, from your own free mind. And there is no other dharma or religion”
So you see geeta is against organised religion like Hinduism. One of the greatest Indians on spirituallity was J.Krishnamurthi. Krishnamurthi first said that all religious books should be burnt. Because they were preventing people to think on their own . Thus they were hampering the growth of the individual mind.And the goal of any religion is one .To have an unbound mind like an ocean. So you see these religious books are preventing the growth of free mind and thus are serving against the purpose that they are meant to serve. The fault is not in geeta but in the fools who handle it and misuse it. So since its difficult to change the fools, better burn the books.

Dear Prabhukar,
Last but not the least. Half knowledge is dangerous. India as one of the partners of the Hedron collider experiment contributed jacks for the magnets used in the experiment.And a statue of Natraj or Shiva doing the Tandav.So you see the Natraj statue was given by India itself to the experiment. As the tandav dance of Shiva symbolised the creation and destruction of the world.
The experiment by accelerating the particles tried to simulate the big-bang .And also it tested whether such intensely accelerated particles can escape the Black-holes. God bless. Take care. Keep writing back.love ankur

Dear Ankur:

Dear Akur :: I AM WAITING FOR YOU TO SEND ME “THE QUOTE AND PAGE NUMBER FROM HOLY QURAN” WHICH STATES “HATRED FOR OTHER RELIGION.

PLEASE DON’T SPREAD RELIGIOUS HATRED. PLEASE, I AM 100% SURE YOU WILL NOT DO THAT.

@Hardy.799

Dear Hardy: PLEASE PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH ?. GOOD LUCK?.

To Prerna:
I hope you are the moderator here. I could see that my earlier comment was awaiting moderation for quite some time without getting deleted. I would be very happy if you delete it at least now. I do not want to misguide people who think they are genius and already right.

hezbullah tareen Wrote:

Dear Prena Gupta,
Hello, hoping my mail finds you in the best of health first of all with all business you have there,

I wanted to give you all a chance to voice your opinions on what matters most to you, and offer a common platform to bloggers discussing social issues affecting India with a post on a topic of your choice, I would like to let you know that, ATTACK 2: I am harming my body and brain by drinking is absulately worng because with drinking alcohols I think it is impossible to be harm of body and brain, you will lose the control of yourself and will not be able to know everyone carefully and will caurage you to do the bad things on the time you are getting out of control, just would like to add this point that, man could not control theirselves whom are stronger than females. and drinking has lots of diesease as you know better, then it is advised to you that avoid drinking and do some execesis, would be for your benefit,

Thanks,

kumar anand Wrote:

Dear prerna jee
I am a doctor and i m nt agree wid yr argument that alcoholism is gd fr health. I am not in favour of it either fr male or female.
I respect d idea of equity …gender based…..but do u thnk dat u pple.shd compete wid males only in drinking?
Pub culture is not good for our culture as well as fr health too….nt only fr males but fr females too……
I am also against any TALIBANI FORCE be it sriramsena or smthng else, bcoz our great indian culture has tought us to respect female as our mothers, sisters ,friends..& other relations……..
My request to you is that please donot corelate your independence & equity by drinking wine in frnt of yr fmly members.
In my opinion it is a shamful act.
with regards..
Dr.kumar anand

SELVAM SELVAM Wrote:

I also agree with Prerna. It’s valid point

md nihal Wrote:

dear prerna,

u write very sensibly
hav u learnt the art of writing or it is ur natural talent

satish singh Wrote:

great prerna ,
rly nice blogs

Manoj Singh Wrote:

Dear Prerna,
I think that u r absolutely right.
regds,
m k singh

Ashok Kinha Wrote:

cheers Prerna,

keep it up and you don;t have to be defensive or explain to anyone if you prefer alcohal over say tea, cofee or soup.

rgds,
Ashok

EDDY SHAH Wrote:

Dear Prerna, what ever you with your body and mind is off course your business, if any one says otherwie, just tell them to mind their own business. Haven’t we got much bigger concerns to be tackling rather than slagging women!!

bidhan bhaumik Wrote:

Prerna :

I think we need to move in a balanced manner. Drinking wine is good but too much of it is bad. And question is “how much is too much?” It is purely on individual’s capacity. Socretes once drank the whole night and was not out while all his friends who bet were out.

On ramp one can afford to walk nude [if situation demands] but this should not be the case with roads. Why? Because there is a difference between road and ramp.

Movie is portryal of incidents put together to depict certain things in totality, so there it may require intimate scenes – our sensor board should carefully judge on that. Priyanka might require to act in that but that does mean we replicate it on streets. There is this difference on the places.

According to Hindu view of life sexual act is best performed if both are in divine state i.e., in pure form of thoughts without any kind of tension in minds of both – in temples you notice conjugated figures which hints to that. As you enter temples you attempt to be calm and serene, so also during the sexual act you have to be. Hindu view of life puts sexual act on top of all acts as it requires pure minds of both. These ideas are distorted during British regime. So we are left with hotch potch.
With warm regards,

Dr.B.K.Bhaumik.

yah agreed

Sakib Khan Wrote:

Namasty, hello and Salam

I have received your mail and got so much information. Thanks for the mail. and Congratulation on Slum dog. As I know about our culture and religion it is strictly prohibited for a woman to drink or to go out side with their boy friends. But may be its change after some time I didn’t believe that we will also change the mentality of our elders cause most the pairs(couples) they cross their limits in public places or other parks etc.
So Gupta i am little in hurry will see you soon inshallah Take care of yourself.

Regards,

Muhammad Saqib

Congratultations” Bidhan Bhaumik

Your condensed explaination is well balanced. Unfortunately, everybody is not as moderate and educated as you are.

It is easy to incite a mass through rumors and distorted information and use them for one’s personal, financial or political gain, while one need a great wisdom to create a civilised followership.

Most take first route:Easy, Quick Publicity and they don’t care what happens later?.

hi Prerna
its a prety gud article .. n gud explntin 4 thos junk headed guys who claim 2 b the defenders of cultur … keep it up..

ali hashemi Wrote:

hi Prerna
I agree with you,but some of these problems have traditional roots,and you can not change these yourself alone.
But i hope that you will be successful to improve these situations.

satish chandra prasad Wrote:

hi,
i have gone through your blog.
i totally agree that “Dirt lies in the mind of people & not in the dressing of girls.”
regarding this i remember a famous quote “Intellectual fashion is more destructive than fashion in dress.”
everybody has a freedom to wear the kind of dress he/she wants.
carry on your voice.
all the best & thanks for creating awareness among all.
bye

Dear Aussie,
The relevant texts that you asked for are given in: Sura 22 ,verses 39,40 and 41 and Sura 2 verse 190 and verse 191and Sura 4 verse 75. You can check it. The English translation of these verses are: That it is the fundamental obligation of every muslim to spread the message of Islam. To convert the non-believers into believers. Thus according to Koran a Muslim should first persuade a non-muslim like hindu or christian to convert to islam. And if they still refuse to embrace islam then it is the religious obligation of the muslim to kill that hindu or christian. Koran says that non-believers or kafirs have no right to live.
And I m not spreading hatred . I am only spreading awareness. Because peace comes from awareness and not from non-sense. take care. do reply back.love ankur.

Thanks Ankur

“ABOUT HOLY QURAN”

I got the reference numbers. I will cross verify the authenticty of Sura 22 versus 39, 40 and 41 and Sura 2 verse 190 and verse 191 and sura 4 verse 75.

Thanks for that: It is now my duty to validate. I will be pproaching a Scholar in a day or two.

(Currently I am working on a Solar Thermal Project in far remote part of Australia and you can understand distances are huge in Australia. Hence I need find a library where I can verify what you have written.)

Thanks Again:

Dear Madeeha Khan

I need bit help: Can you kindly suggest me “English Translation of Holy Bible: Some one who has translated direct from original version(not distorted version).

I wish to verify the authenticty of Sura 22 versus 39, 40 and 41 and Sura 2 verse 190 and verse 191 and sura 4 verse 75.

diana mona Wrote:

Dear Prerna,

hi, i loved to read your blog,though i dont go to pubs and have drinks, i support your stand against moral policing, these people are just taking law into their hands and creating a havoc, they want the women to sit at home and think they are not good for nythin(i really feel sorry for their stand}common girls there are many other things that need to be elimenated out of our country such as dowry system, casteism, terrorism etc etc, let the so called law takers first fight against these impiortant causes, rather than goin against womens independence.

diana

Dear sister,

I am muslim but i am very open minded and i like to talk “Sattya”"Saach” all the time,
I dont know that the Raam sene man having any idia or not about the Hindu Godess Costume, If this time Every Hindu Girl start using dress code like godess Lakshmi, Saraswati,s drees they (means Raam Sene man) will be getting mad and they will attack openly on the road in front of the public because generally the beauti of the girl will incress. if this time Jeans is not safe for women, it is so havy and strong cloths, so how Saree, Blause will give safty?

Hinduezm is not like that what they are doing. they should learn about “Seeta’s” dress and Raam ji not giving them any kind of order to do that.
Yes, Drinking is the Bad habit but why the Raam Sene not fighting for that? i think the most of Raam Sene Member are drinker. if you want chenge some thing before that you should chenge yourself frist.

This is the same catagory like a group of Muslim Who are creating terrorist activity in the name of islam and muslim but they dont know what is the meaning of Islam, Muslim and Mu’meen.

Islam means “Peace” what came from Allah,God, Muslim means Beliver of the God or Allah and his system and the Mu’meen muslim means who joy his Sole and lightend his sole and heart for Allah’s Love.
and the main thing Mu’meen muslim cant hit anybody without fare and justice he or she may get hurt but they will not attack anybody.

See, The Religeon is for humen but Humen not for religeon and that is why humen is the same Black, White, same eyes, nose everything but religeon defferent defferent and the main thing is whene Humen done some unhumanitic act that time religeon came to light and giving them to way of living peacefully, it is religeon only. you see every religeon singing the same song of peace. Islam = Peace, Hindu = Oom Shanti, Cryst = God bless you means Peace but why all over the globe there is no Peace Because of we are not following our religeon properly. we are namely lebeled Muslim, hindu, Chris.

and there is no forse and pressure in islam if you want -you do, dont want- dont do i will ask you after Allah told in islam, and any dress you can use what giving you safety from “Satan” and ” Satan” is living in the dip of humen it is clear.
Sorri. my english is not good may be

Hi Prerna
Yr view were excellent. Keep on .
Any help required from me, I ‘ll be gratefull
Keep in touch.
Bye
Sushma

My dear aussie…I really wish I could get the original version of Bible from sumwhere infact I would like to study it myself..the thing is, as u said it is impossible to find the original version now a days..it had been destroyed a long time ago..no matter how hard v try i dont think we can find it..I really wish i could help but atleast I will note down these surah n verse numbers let me c if anyone can help here but again i’m 100 percent sure all of our christain friends have got the distorted version too..so will that b helpful..? i wonder though if u can find anything like that in the library as u mentioned it…
Holy Quran n Bible r exactly the same with the exception of men made changes in Bible..both books r messages of one God in different times with one subject..its not that hard to find the orignal version of Holy Quran though..every existing version today is the original version..unlike Bible Holy Quran could not b changed by people because it had been fixed in the memory of many muslims n still musilms do that..they memorize it n store that in their minds..I mean they learn it by heart..so yes u r right it doesn’t matter if its Quran or Bible no religion teaches us to hate the followers of other religions….
luv..take care

Dear Aussie n Ankur thanks for approving my comments earlier…!

Dear Ankur..!! Belive me there is no such religion that teaches us to hate the followers of other religions not even Islam..I would rather say especially Islam.. Islam represented by Talibans is not the real islam ..they r extremists (i dont know of what kind) ..If u ever want to know what real Islam is take a look back in those times when it emerged in saudi Arabia..those people were not different from our indian ancestors who used to belive that women should b buried alive with the dead bodies of their husbands because as their husbands have died they no longer have any right to live..the peolple of saudi Arabia used to bury their daughters alive when they were born cuz they thought daughters were some kind of curse for them and sumthing which wasn’t needed by them…Islam tried to tought them the equality of men n women..(i know u can’t belive it today when u c how talibans treat their women well I alllready said they dont represent islam I dont know what the hell do they want ) ..Islam said women r equal to men…Our prophet (PBUH) told them that women can not be forced to marriage without her will..if a woman is forced to marry against her will ..then it wouldn’t b considered as marriage in shariat (religious patteren for followers of islam) n if the husband tries to have sex with her it would b haram (prohibited in the terms of shariat) to do that..isn’t it freedom for an individual..what else can a woman want in our society where man dominates..? but unfortunately even muslims dont follow that..by saying muslims I only mean musilms of subcontinent..muslims living either in india or pakistan.. the traditions n customs we talk about, these are the traditions n customs of our common ancestors..indian culture is ancient…Even though Mughals ruled us british ruled us n so many more nations in different time periods..but it didn’t change us..atleast not totally…some of them accepted islam..but again not even the change of religion changed them completely it changed their minds but it could never changed their nature..I think Talibans dont express islam..they have nothing to do with it..it has to do with our ancestoral culture in which woman is considered inferior n dominated n ruled by men..I dont think if women in saudi Arabia or any other musim country is treated in this manner the way it is treated in pakistan or in india I dont know if there r any Sas Bahu or joint family system traditions goin on there which r simply ways to tease woman n make her realize that she’s inerior n not free to live as she wants..she is always controlled by either father , husband ,parent in laws or other family members (is she sum kind of mental retard who can not think on her own or can not decide about her life or about what wrong or right is..I think not.. its only man there who’s got intelligence) in this culture men has every right to treat women as they wish to cuz they r their rulers..so nothing such ever happened back in those days when prophet (PBUH) was alive..I’m talkin about him cuz he was the preacher of islam..After holy Quran he is the source of guidence for the followers of islam..In other words he explained everything written in Quran too..those people (prophet PBHU n his followers) never hit any woman the way talibans do..they tought to respect women..they never preached to kill those who weren’t muslims..they lived half of their lives amongst people who weren’t muslims but they didn’t try to kill anyone of them.. In religions like christanity or islam etc the religion is taught by a prophet..he is the teacher for the nation.. whatever he does is always remembered n it is stored in every form for the rest to follow or the ones who want help in any case..it is called Ahadeas in Islam..so not even one hadeas asks muslims to hate other religions too..I rather ‘member sumthing like that from sum hadeas that “respect other religions so that ur own religion is respected by others too “…so Prophet (PBUH) had extreme patience n tolerance…he was so kind hearted even though he was always hurt n bullied by people of his nation but he always prayed for them in returen that its not their fault its because they do not know what’s gud for them (which means he will try to convince them to what he thinks is better for them but he won’t force them cuz afterall its their mind so their choice) if he doesn’t want to force them why would he preach to kill them…Besides if u take a look into history it was a common practice of muslims that whenever they conquered any state or city, unlike other nations they never killed the prisoners or treated them bad..it is rather remembered that they always treated them very well..mayb u know it is only because of this reason that when people like Muhammud bin kasim back in the times conquered sindh so many people accepted islam..because they liked their system in which woman wasn’t considered inerior n everyone was treated equal n they were really impressed that even after conquering they didn’t treat the local people with any kind of bad manner..surely if they would have been like talibans no one would ever have converted to islam ..its simple..there surely must have been sumthing that inspired those people enough so that they started following their religion..u can say why did they attack india..they attacked all over the world then cuz they were a power then..n back in those days whenever any nation had power they always tried to conquere the world let it be either old Rome or old Iran..every nation did it ..now a days it doesn’t need to b like this because things have changed n its the modern world of nuclear power ..todays’s super power doesn’t have to fight like this to rule the world( it allready does)…so what i m trying to say is even though so many of us converted to islam or have been modernized but it hasn’t changed the minds it hasn’t made us different…people living in pakistan or india r the same ..whether they r muslim or hindu doesn’t matter…our traditions our angles of looking at things everything is same.. the problems r same..mayb we will change but some changes r slow especiallly in socities like us where literacy rate is low.. So talibans dont express islam or Al Qaida or any such organizations which r involved in terrorist activites dont express islam..Islam is a religion of peace..Islam doesn’t give the permission to kill innocent people whether they r muslims or non muslims…
take care..luv

Prena..! I hope my long comment gets posted .. :)

@Madeeha — of course :) your comments are always automatically approved here! thank you for such a heartfelt post. i agree with you 100%. no religion teaches hate. religion is about love. hateful people just try to exploit religion and give it a bad name. the fanatics are present in all religions also, not just Islam.

To Sunil, Aussie, Prabhakur, Madeeha and the like:
I would like to apologize to you all on my brother’s behalf for His ignorance in finding people in disguise. It does not make him less of my brother. Forgive Him if he hurted your feelings. Please allow Him to mature. Till then, LOVE HIM.

Dear Madeeha,
How are you? Its always a pleasure to hear from you? I find your writings and understanding homely and delicious. Like home cooked food. Great.
Now Madeeha. What I wrote is factually correct. Unfortunately so .You can check it in Koran. That is exactly the meaning of the world kafir (one who does not believe in Islam. And Jihad is the holy war against the non-believers that Prophet Mohammed sanctioned of. I have many muslim friends. And when i told them, they too were shocked that such a thing is given in Islam. Many of them vehemently denied it .Like you are doing. But facts are facts. Tolerant muslims like you find it hard to deal with the ironies and contradictions of Islam. It is the religion that least fits with the values of the modern society. You cannot blame the West therefore, for perceivng Islam as the religion of barbarians.
For solving your dilemma i will tell you a story .Rubbaiya-Al-Sayeed is considered to be one of the most respected muslims who followed the trdition of the prophet Mohammed.And she was a woman. She is today respected by both orthodox and unorthodox muslims. Junaid, another muslim saint once stayed in Rubbaiya’s house. He asked for her copy of Koran to do his namaaz. He was shocked to see that Rubaiyya had cut many verses of the koran with her pen. Junaid was outraged. He asked Rubaiyya, “What have u down. You have cut down the words of the Prophet. Rubaiyya replied back, “So what, I have cut them where i have found the prophet to be wrong.” So you see Madeeha. What was relevant then may not be relevant today. No wonder, if the prophet appears today he might himself reverse some of the things that he said then. So madeeha the future of Islam depends on how the muslims align it with the modern day values. And how the present day muslims train their children. I hope not in the same way that the earlier generation did. To look down on everything Western while enjoying the previliges of the West.
. And the condition of women is much better in India than in Pakistan. Take care. God bless you.Love Ankur.

Dear Prerna,
I agree with you that there are fanatics in every religion. But you should also agree with me that there are more fanatics in Islam than in any other religion. And it is difficult for Guptas and Khans to live together always .take care.love ankur

Sanjay Kumar Wrote:

What Ram Sena did is not totally correct but their intentions are correct.
Any how drinking is bad for anybody it should be banned from all over India like, state of Gujarat because Gandhiji was against it and Gandhiji is for whole nation. I live in UK and non drinking and vegeterianism gets more repect from outside world I see this everyday and these westerners are following to be one like that.

As you said when men goes to drink is not bad but when women goes she will be called whore.
On that if only men goes to drink what might happen; they get drunk, talk rubbish and come back, not more than that.But if women goes to drink in same place where men are drinkin then
both gets drunk and in drunk state men as usual tries sexual advance and in that state women commits those mistakes and they become whore. If some women thiks that they will be in control and not let it happen, but as time goes and their frequent appearence to the pub increases chances of becoming whore also increases.

Sanjay
from UK

Prabhakur Wrote:

My Dear Ankur,
Replying back to your comments of March 2nd.I am happy you realised there are fools around and the Geeta is not at fault.But please ,never think of destroying the sacred scriptures.They act as the river banks which channel the flow of the water to the ocean.In this case they are channeling the flow of our knowledge to merge with the vastness of the ocean of knowledge.
secondly you said it right that India supplied the Natraj.This is not the point.The point is Natraj has been accepted by the non-Indians.This is the beauty of it.There are other instances of accelerators in the west where scientists consulted indian sages for a name to their particle accelerator and the name given was SHIVA.Learned people of the west have accepted the truth of hinduism.
By the way,ienjoy reading your comments.Don’t you think has done a great job rallying us all together!!! take care and keep writing.

Hi Prena,
I hope you are so emotional and you cant realise the dress culture

Hi Prena,
U r so emotion and as u said if you have drink a small its good for health but staying in bubs up to midnight and using baby dress is not good for health and mental. but i support u for
not linking the rama & gita or any other religious.also i accept your guts to fights for rights u can start with this fighting with fulish politicions.Take care and keep writing.

Dear Madeeha,
Just in the story i told u the name of the muslim woman mystic was Rubaiyya-al -Adabia. and the name of the other one was not junnaid but hassan.

Dear Madeeha,
I think i owe u some more explanation. I am not spreading any hatred against Islam. Though i was born a Hindu but now i dont belong to any religion. I agree with bulle shah that the first step to self-awareness is to give up all group identities. So i have given up all kinds of groups whether its nationallity, religion ,caste or creed.
I think 95% of muslims are good,honest citizens contributing to the growth of the global economy. But the problem with almost all muslims is that they maintain their separate religious identity in everyday life. This is expressed in the form of men having islamic beards and islamic caps and woman wearing burqas and headscarves. There is no other major religious that asserts such kind of separate religious identity. Except a few Sikh men. But Sikhism too small a religion to be significant. This practise of maintaining a separate religious identity acts as the biggest barrier in the integration of muslims with the non-muslim societies. And also Madeeha to us Muslims it appears as a very subtle form of hate by the muslims against the non-muslims.
In the post September 11 and post-taliban world I have personally felt that phobia and hatred against islam has become almost the norm. Much of this is exaggerated and irrational. But much of this is rational too. I will give u the example of London where u live. I have seen that in London muslim women wear jeans and everything. But they still wear the head scarves. Now personally I have nothing against headscarves, except that it turns the most beautiful of women ugly. But i have found that the Britishers resent this practise. Madeeha, cant u muslim women replace this practise. IF not give up ,u can use a Victorian hat or cap to cover your head. That will allay the resentment of Britishers and integrate the muslims more in the society. But unfortunately muslim women are more interested in enjoying this religious aggression and provocation of the Britishers. Cant the muslims see the writing on the wall. Discrimination against muslims has already started. Do they want that their innocent sons and daughters are denied admission in colleges and jobs. Just because they have a Mohammed or Khan attached to their names.
And the greatest musician in the world and one of the 10 greatest living indians today is AR Rahman. He is a muslim. And when this year he was awarded the second oscar of the night he said,” All my life I had the choice to hate or to love. I chose to love and I am here.” It is now up to the muslims to choose what they want. Please do reply back. Maybe I am wrong .Take care.Love Ankur

And Madeeha the condition of women is the same in other Muslim societies as it is in pakistan.In Saudi Arabia it is even worse. They are not allowed to drive cars. Can u believe that. Take care.love ankur

Dear Prabhakur,
How are you? Ofcourse we are celebrating the freedom of expression here on this blog. The holi of expressions. Expressions of different hues. Red ,blue and black.And dont u think that it is the bank that is preventing the river from flowing out and becoming an ocean. Dont you think the river is already an ocean. Please reply back, love ankur

Prabhakur Wrote:

Dear Ankur,
Very good thinking on your part.The river cannot be the ocean as it fills the ocean and has never been able to fill it completely.Its duty is to flow towards the ocean and never to be the ocean itself.
Happy Holi.

prakash dalvi Wrote:

Dear prerna,

I very much agree with your thinking.
Drinking is not bad, you can drink graciously without losing your composure. If you create nuisance it is bad, irrespective of whether you are drunk or not.
Every one has his/her openion it may be right or wrong, but whatever it is, it cannot be imposed on others, one can always express his views in morecivilized manners.

As regards dress code, one has to decide what to wear at which place. All dresses cannot be worn at all places. The dress (for men & women both) should go with the occasion and crowd. All men are not saints, so women have to be little careful.

take care
Prakash

manish kota Wrote:

hi prerna ,

it was a very honest opinion given by you i completely accept and am with u for your blog
Rock on !!!!!!!!!!!!! keep blogging

K MANISH

Thanks Madeeha Khan

I struggled to covince one person here that no religion teaches hatred, Specially Islam. Your long comments are worth reading, each word and line is worth reading. WONDERFUL and my congratulations.

Some of us distort the system, rules and society to GAIN PERSONAL BENEFITS, POWER OR MONEY OR ALL. This distortion has happened in past and will continue because human nature is most complex system.

It is us who make society. LET US DO OUR OWN BIT TO IMPROVE IT.

Prena..! thanks for ur comment dear..
Aussie thanks for approving my comment..

Dear ankur..!!
History shows that war has been present in the history of all nations irrespective of the religious differences..every nation/religion fought against other nations/religions..so its not just islam.. it is comparatively less in today’s civilized world..(I hope if someday we r able to get rid of it completely )
My dear religion rarely fits with the values of the modern society let it b any religion christianity (catholic not protestant ) ,islam, judaism..other religions like catholic christianity and judaism r also strict its just that these people no longer follow the lifestyles given by their religions.. so that depends on, to what extent a nation follows its religion.. I’m sure there must b some limits or restrictions present in Hinduism too..
Ankur belive me I know a lot about the respected muslims in the history of islam n about other spiritualistic people like u said bulle shah but I’ve never heard of this lady Rabbaiya its a strange story n anyone can hardly belive in it.. n i will personally feel guilty if i try to change either holy Quran, bible or other holy books of hinduism..even if we dont belive in them why would we try to change them when there r other people who do..
I am totally against those people who enjoy previliges of west n live here but even then curse them..I am glad I am not one of them I rather always get myself into fights with such people…one should truly resent such people..

Dear why did u assume I am one of those ladies who use burkas or scarves..I personally dont like to wear none of them its not because britishers resent it or anything its because I dont want to wear anything like this or any other dress which makes me look odd amonst other people…moreover I hate to wear anything which shows i’m trying to hide myself..why would i like to hide myself dear i am no alien :) i’m just like other fellow beings..n i am proud to b a woman n dress up like a woman..
I am wondering though who told u that muslim women here r always covered up in headscarves or burkas…muslim women here dress up in the same manner as other women do..even in the areas with the majority of pakistani or muslim people..but even if they want to do that its their personal matter we can’t interfere with how they want to dress up even if it makes them look uglier..their mind their choice..
one thing though i would like to mention here as I’d mentioned before..As some people in the areas like subcontinent dont tend to mind their own buisiness n r more interested in what others r what up to..so i wonder if that could b the reason for some women for wishing to hide themselves n to get rid of men staring at them..though i think there’s no point in putting urself in trouble for such people…women rather should learn to ignore such men n move on with their lives..surely there must have been something like that which western women might have learnt with the passage of time making their lives simpler now..there must have been some protest that made western men to come to terms with the fact that women also must b allowed to dress up in comfortable dresses rather then wearing long n heavy victorian/edwardian dresses..as i just said some changes r rather slow in some societies..
My dear condition of women in india can b better than pakistan but it is not much different from what it is in pakistan that’s what we r talking about..n we dont ask a woman before solving her problem if she belongs to india or pakistan or any other country..
take care of urself..It is always very nice to hear from u..keep writing..
luv…

thanks dear for your comments. and ur response is even more heartening as it comes from you. First kudos to you for your efforts through this blog. Your platform has succeeded in creating a dialogue, a plane where ultra-conservatives and liberals met.I appreciate and support the spirit of your efforts.take care.love ankur.

Dear Madeeha,
Rabiya-Al-Adwiyya lived in the 8th century A.D. That you are unware about her shows that you are mostly ignorant about the history tradition and teachings of Islam. You can check it from any scholaR. Or you can buy this book called ‘The Other Islam-Sufism and the road to Global Harmony’ by Stephen Schwartz. You can read the excerpts of the book on google too. In the book too the story i told you is again mentioned. The name of the other mystic was Hassan-Al-basri.
I have lived in Norrich and London for about three months. Almost 90% of the muslim women cover their head with headscarves. They dont wear burqas. That i already mentioned. But i think you failed to read that.
Ofcourse you are right when you say that other religions too are parochial and strict in their teachings. But Hindus and Christians etc dont follow them. Thats what i am trying to tell you that the members of these religions are more humane. They have modified their religious teachings to suit the humanity. But muslims have refused to that. The whole muslim race behaves like its a race of sadists. They enjoy killing people and provoking them.

You arguement that muslim women in South Asian dominated Areas cover their heads because of the prying eyes of the south asian muslim men. No you are wrong. Because they just cover their heads. they wear tight jeans but they cover their heads. If they were so aware of the prying eyes they would have followed the religious diktats to the full. Covering their every part of the body. The headscarves are a form of religious segregation. To provoke the members of the other community.
Madeeha you may find my tone a bit abrasive. But dear I had such high regards for you. But your last comments have left me wondering. Are you too a closet funadamentalist fooling others and herself. One who lacks courage and more attached to words of Koran than to humanity. I wish i am wrong. Do reply back if you have more to say. God bless you. Take care.love ankur

Dear Aussie,
If one wants to cure a disease the first step is to take cognizance of it. To recognize that there is a disease. If one refuses to face and continues to ignore it the disease would spread and become fatal. Therefore the first step is to encounter it. And encountering is awareness. And from awareness flows peace. Ignorance is not bliss.
I have given you the verse. You can read it. But still you ignore it. Because you are really not interested in peace or anything. If you are interested you would try to understand the root of this conditioning of muslims that Islam is superior. And killing in the name of Allah would be condoned by Allah. Take care.love Ankur

Informs M.J. Akbar in The Times Of India, ” During the 2005 earthquake in Pakistan, the male students of the Frontier Medical College were prevented by their elders from saving the girl students in the rubble. Because the elders said that according to Islam it was better for the girls to die than to be polluted by the ‘touch’ of a man to whom she is not married.”
All my lovers of Islam , who call for the unity of Guptas and khans i would appreciate your comments on this. Take Care.Love ankur.

hi prerna,
u r brave and i salute u. i may not like my daughter to do what u do, but i respect ur views and will stand by u because i believe in choices. u r free to live as u choose and its the moral duty of all right thinking persons to support ur freedom to do so. the ramsena and all other lunatics of the saffron and green shades needs to be sent to zoos and zoos are where they belong. the normal rabble who participate in these progroms doesnt worry me because they know no better. but i am worried of the elite monkeys. who travel in hondas and bring their family to enjoy the spree as they did in gujrath. the educated urban suit clad monkeys both male and female. they says these women dress skimply, they party, they drink, they speak with boys(muslim to mangloreans, hindus to malappurans). they are the delhi cms, karnataka womans rights member, bjp leaders, muslim league leaders, calcuttan businessmen, calcuttan police thugs, mumbais rajs – they all are birds of the same flock. i say live ur life as u wish and dont let all these bastards grind u down – nolli illegittimi carborundum

Prakash dalvi Wrote:

Dear Prerna ,
thanks for introducing me to your Blog. I find comments of Ankur & Madeeha Khan very interesting. I have my own thinking on religion/god. Civilized world needs something good to look forword, hence our learned ancestors created GOD/Religion and tied to put their wise thoughts in the form of religion or words of GOD, which are known as Hindu Vedas or Kuran Or Bible. They were created with relevance to the period they were created, at times changes were made due to change in latest conditions. Of all the religions Hindu religion is the oldest and I feel it remained alive because it accepted changes from time to time to suit the changed environment. Thus in present times you will find a hindu praying in Church or Dargah. I am not advocating Hinduism, I am highlighting acceptance of GOOD as seen in modern times. I believe that there is no real GOD. The GOD is the goodness in our human mind. Once we realize this religion becomes non-entity.
I liked what Madeeha Khan said ” personally dont like to wear none of them its not because britishers resent it or anything its because I dont want to wear anything like this or any other dress which makes me look odd amonst other people…moreover I hate to wear anything which shows i’m trying to hide myself..why would i like to hide myself dear i am no alien” . Because Muslims in general standout in society, they donot become part of the society. There are Hindus also, who like to show their religion, but they are very less in number. Moreover, there are much less hindus who listen to the openion of hindu religious leaders regarding our normal life. Such is not the case of Muslims who stand against the openion of their religious leaders. There are very few Madeeha Khans and appreciate her for her frank discussions. All citizen first belong their Nation (or the society where we live) then comes religion, which is strictly personal.

thanks very much for approving my comment prakash..!
nice to hear from u..!

“and aussie i will tell u something very simple. Why do you think when Osama bin ladin attacks world trade centre he calls his terrorist attack a jihad, a holy war.”

hahahahaha… You’re so funny. Who told you it was Bin Laden who attacked the world trade tower???? I think you are a good listener to the Media and people like you always have false information…. I have read your comment about my first blog. Well, I strongly don’t respond to people like you. You completely lack politness.
Thnx :D

anuj gupta Wrote:

If your details are fully proven then i must suggest you that you are a awesome writer please try your talent to open the quickfixed paradox eyes of public

Dear Zakaria,
Immediately after the September 11 attacks of the World Trade Centre, the Al-Qaeda distributed copies of a video to all the major news channels of the world through the Al-Zazeera television network. The video had the footage of Osama-bin-laden congratulating the muslims of the world on the spectacular success of the attacks on the world trade centre.He took full responsibilty for the planning and execution of the attacks.
i hope now you wont doubt Osama-bin-laden’s involvement in the attacks. And if you still say that Osama too was lying, it only means that you were behind the attacks.Because you r so certain of the truth. I hope the FBI is reading this blog and cracks down on you. So that poor Osama can be exonerated of the blame of his self-admitted crime. take care.love ankur.

dear madeeha,
how r u .i was expecting that u would send an acknowledgement of the authencity of the strange story that i told u .The authencity of which u doubted then.looking forward to her from u.take care.love ankur.

dear prerana,
keep on, ur doing absolutly fantastic job, i am get bored of those thinking that people had in their minds about girls, because like this type of girl, fearless and any time free,

dear zakaria,
i am looking forward to ur reply. i hope u will take the spirit of my sarcasm. i have nothing against u personally. But u r acting irresponsibly. Such comments about Osama Bin Laden bring a bad name to the whole muslim community. A few people like u give such statements. And the whole poor community faces the backlash. You have also to recognize the power of influence that new age mediums like blogs have in creating impressions and stereotypes.
I hope u have a good clarification for ur words. And you would be more careful in the future.Take care.love ankur.

it is unfortunate that none of the bloggers have come forward to condemn Zakaria’a outrageous remarks about the attacks on the world trade centre. i was expecting condemnations from peacenicks like madeeha nd secularists like aussie.or is he a pseudo-secularist.

Dear ankur..!! how r you doing ..? I’m fine too…sorry for such a late reply.. well ankur I know Rabia busri( is Rabbiya al adwiyya her full name or maiden name?)…I have also heared about Hasan basri..you r right they r respected muslims in the history of islam…the only thing I never heared is this story..I dont need to check its authenticity anywhere I belive u why on earth would u lie …ofcourse you must have read it in some book…but ankur I also dont need to belive in this book aswell..there r millions n millions of books on earth u just can’t belive in each n every one of them…every book is different from other books ..for example if I read about a story in different books..n each book tells it in a different way…some books tell it exactly in same manner some differ a bit n some tell it exactly opposite..some books will even tel me nothing such ever happened ..now ankur they r all books so which book should I consider the authentic one..surely i have no way to find out…so how can I simply read about anything in a book n start beliving in it…

well ankur about Zakria’s comment about osama bin laden…its just not him who doubt the attack on world trade centre by osama bin laden.. there are lots of other people with the same opinion too..It doesn’t mean that I am one of them…I really dont know who did that..I have no way to find that out..so lots of people think that it was an inside jobe by american government for gaining some purposes..I’ve watched several programs trying to prove that..n to b honest I was a bit taken aback…everything in those programs seemed real..but then like u mentioned earlier aswell osama bin laden released his videos soon after the attcks taking the responsiblity of the attacks..so I find this case really complicated..but ankur I think that was not at all outrageous if zakria expressed his views..we are all here to express our views..it could very well be an american too who could have commented like that about september attacks…there are people who actually think like that n doubt some facts n they are not necessarily muslims..though I am not one of them but I respect views by everyone….because afterall its not about if osama bin laden did it or not its about whoever did it must not be forgiven…

you said you read it in some newspaper that “the male students of the Frontier Medical College were prevented by their elders from saving the girl students in the rubble. Because the elders said that according to Islam it was better for the girls to die than to be polluted by the ‘touch’ of a man to whom she is not married.”
I dont think its islam that suggests that it was preferable for the girls to die then to b polluted by the touch of men to whom they were not married..i think its only those illiterate molvies/elders who suggested that..why would u take such illiterate people for representatives of any religion .. such brainless people are found among the followers of every religion…

spelling mistake : inside job not jobe

Ankur,

i have read most of ur comments. And i am impressed of ur writing style. And the way you think. the way you explain. there’s sense of creativity or originality. even an uninteresting or not arguable statements or comments you made them interesting . What’s ur secret to all of these?. Thanks.

TO ERICK,
Thanks brother for your compliment. i cant tell you how good i felt after reading your praise. I think the only secret is there is one is to write from one’s heart. Creativity flows from the heart.And to look at this world with one’s own free mind. Free from all conditionings. Thankyou once again dear. You have made my day. Take care.love ankur

TO MADEEHA,
how r u dear? dear please dont mind. But your problem is that you r not honest with yourself. And until u become honest with yourself u wont be able to live this life. To experience this life. So start being honest with yourself.Only then will u grow.
There have been no shows in the west or anywhere that raises doubts on who was behind the attacts on the world trade centre. U yourself ask yourself how many such shows u have seen. This theory of inside job was propogated by muslims living in the West. This has further marred the image of muslims in the West.You and Zakir by writing such things in defence of Osama are showing ur callousness towards the thousands of sufferers of the attack. Islam is more important for u than human lives.
Madeeha why dont u say the truth. That as a muslim u wont approve the fact that somebody changes the words of your prophet. Its useless explaining it to u. My last advice. You r only wasting ur life by leading such a hypocritical life. Remember there is no religion, no prophet. koran, geeta or bible r no more better or holy than nancy friday’s penthouse letters. Actually penthouse letters r better. so better read them than koran or geeta or bible.take care.love ankur.

Prerna,

Please keep writing, I appreciate your work.
I look forward to hear more from you soon :)

Mujeeb Khan

Hi ankur..! thanks for ur advice for start being honest with myself I really appreciate that..though i dont reckon that u know it that to what extent i am honest with myself..ankur never mind but I think u start judging people before u even know them..plz never mind but i would request that u make more use of ur mind then heart.. only then would u b able to b a little less sure of what u presume is always right..

Ankur I would request u not to match me with any extremist whether he is muslim or non muslim..dont match me with zakria I’d read his earlier comments on this page n those were extreme n foolish..he thinks everyone should b following the religion he is following..I presumed that from the way he talked to prena in his earlier comment n i didn’t approve that comment..I hate extremity in everything whether its in religion or anything else..I am a very peaceful person..I give more importance to humanity then anything else in this universe…

I would really appreciate ur not saying that again that I like to defend that man osama bin laden..I resent the very idea of liking or defending him..u have made me felt the worst by writing that..how could u perceive that..? dear plz dont trust on ur sense of judging everything so quickly that much because I am the kind of person who will sit n moan for a hurt animal n u talk about a possiblity that i might not have felt sorry for the ones who were killed in these attacks the people who were innocent, by saying that I am showing callousness towards them..or by saying that I am defending the man who was responsible for that..

Dear ankur ..! if u ask me I think each n everyone of us is free to live as he likes..that includes the choice of religion too..I dont want everyone to accept my religion..why would I.. ? I think we r human first then we r muslim,hindu or christian.., i dont want everyone to follow the religion that i do..I think that would b atrocious..every mind is different n also every heart is different too..the sense of deciding about right n wrong for every mind is different..so no one should force no one to belive in what they belive in..it would b thoughtless to do that..
I belive not even two drops in the world r exactly the same..then how can a human match with any other human when we have got a mind ,a heart n also a soul..no..!! we r all different from each other..only the degree varies..!!

DEAR MADEEHA,
How r u? i m sorry if i hurt u. I am really sorry.
You see Madeeha that the biggest mosque in India is the Jama Majid in New Delhi. A few days after the September 11 attacks more than 1 laks muslims gathered in the mosque for the friday namaaz. They were waving posters of Osamabin-laden, raising slogans of Osama zindabad and praying for his longevity. They were glorifying his terrorist deed as an act of faith. As a victory of muslims over non-muslims. Most of those muslims were not terrorists. They were middle class honest muslims making an honest living.Still mentally they were supporting terrorism. You have to see my comments in that context. Madeeha u can raise doubts on September 11. But what about other terrorist attacts. Nov 26 in mumbai, madrid bombings, bombing of JW marriot in Pakistan etc. Do u say that islamic terrorists were not behind them.
Religion is a matter of free choice. But in the end u will realize that organized religions like hinduism,islam and christianity r futile. They mislead u nd take u away from god. God is in every particle of the universe. in every breadth u take. Organized religion was just a tool created by evil-minded humans to exploit fellow human beings. In the name of God,bhagwan and allah.
Lastly whereever u will read, u will find that the same story about Rubaiyya-Al-Adwaiyya is given. Interpretations have been given differently. because interpretations r of our cunning mind. The story is simple. U dont need any interpretations.take care.love ankur

manoj thakur Wrote:

Dear Prerana!!!

It was always a matter of attracting disgress by commenting on equality as people in India can not open their eyes still or rather they dont want to.

But there is a say in India that Cat drinks milk with closed eyes, thinking that nobody is seeing, but closing your eyes will not change the reality.

and i tell you, history has witnessed the existance of these muddy people always in the society. More or less in numbers, but one thing is common they all failed to stop the moving cycle of time, rather they provide fuel and make us feel that how right are we.
they provide us with the opprtunity to rethink and crosscheck our views in many perspectives of logical thinking.
look at your post how logical and perfect… so dont feel bad at all (i am sure you are not)..these people make us perfect.

One very good doha from rahiman a great indian philosopher of ancient indian time.

निंदक नियरे रखिये आँगन कुटी छबाय
बिनु पानी बिनु साबना निर्मल करे सुभाय

which means “you should always keep your critics close by making a guest room in your premises, because he will make you more and more pure, holy, geniun & clean without using water or soap.

ofecourse here we are not talking about the purity and cleanliness of body but purity & neatness of mind, Heart and soul, Can you purify these by using any soap as you get bath everyday.

One more…

न्हाये धोये क्या भया जो मन मेल न जाये
मीन सदा जल में रहे धोये बॉस न जाये

Means”Oh brother!!! everyday you are getting bath for cleaning your body,have you ever thought of cleaning your heart, without which this bathing is meaningless.
As fish spends whole life in water and after that also if you will try to wash her in order to deoder its smell, do you think you will get success?

so these critics are the people give you the courage to throw your garbage of heart.

i am sure you must have felt very good..after responding to that comment, that single comment made you expressed.

One last thing, look at the nagative comments and compare that number with positive ones.We are in majority, though majority is not always right, Yaari represents todays India in true sense.

And I believe not you but We ALL ARE RiGHT and FEEL ONe On your VIEWS rather YOU ARE speaking our MINDS.
We can do somthing good for this world if united and together by any means..think about it and do respond.

KEEP GOING and be in touch.

मनोज ठाकुर

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The overwhelming majority of Indians believe that every woman that is not a slave to man is a prostitute. Even the ones who profess not to think that way will crumble under the pressure of family members. Indians (including those that seem enlightened and liberal) believe that every western woman is cheap and available for exploitation. Rape is not born only out of desire, its more a psychosis fed into every Indian male by his mother.(yes, his mother!)”You can have anything you like if you make enough fuss about it. You’re the most important being in the Universe.”

pavankumar Wrote:

i require few clarifications regarding drinking.

1. you commented on ram and sita drink before having sex. where did you get this information? and why do you like to highlight this? do you know that these will be derogatory remarks on the religion.

why people simply wants to probe into other personal life. why can’t you keep off yourself from doing so. keep in mind that elders say only in favor of their children but you all keep them pestered with irresponsible questions that some times make them hard against you. just follow them as they said and no more questions. as and when time is right they themselves will let you know about them. if they find you over reactive they themselves will restrain you which is natural and correct. i think there will be no arguments regarding this.

dear sister prerna;
since i read your comments about the sene i felt pity about the girls like you. since you are the girls who belongs to the great sanatana religion ‘HINDU’.the one of the fact about you type girls is that you see only your selfish and not about the community.the muslims now had started the mission “LOVE JIHAD”which means acting to love a hindu girl and t marry her and to convert them to muslim.you know one fact that out of 6 old religions only HINDU had survived by the hands from muslims all other were destroyed by them.now they are trying to destroy this also . but they have no guts to face to face war so they are using you like pity (selfish)girls.if you want a small example for the fact of the muslims attack on us ,,then read:::::–when we got our independence,the nizam of hyderabad had refused to mingle with INDIA and ordered his mantri ‘rizwi’ to attack on HINDU’s in andra pradesh.the rizwi with his followers called “RAZZAKs” gone to the every villages and killed the HINDU mens and raped lacks of HINDU womens.
if you want full details of this story then read S.L.BAIRAPPA’s book “AAVARANA” which is sold in different languages.

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