It is better to leave this issue at the individuals. Let people decide themselves what’s is wrong or right to them. Why society to decide? And who is that joker? let us all oppose such type of dictatorship. Guys from small towns are no lesser in any respect than guys from metros.

This blog”pink chaddis” is a very brave attempt by some women who think they can counter the group which is forcibly implementing some moral norms on women. I disagree that Indian women can go to that level of modernisation or adopt western culture to counter this small fanatic group. As Prena rightly said what is good for western culture or say US and Canada maynot be good or morally acceptable to our culture or our women.
With due regards to women who still prefer to revolt and do what they feel is right.

Thanks Mohamed.

Social changes are good if they are gradual. Drastic changes can and will always lead to disaster.
Again : Those who are less fortunate need to be safeguarded

@ Savvyman — yes but what if you ‘what you want to do’ restricts the rights / abilities of others to live how they want to live? that’s why discussing these issues is so important. even if they are ‘the basics’, people are still suffering because there is disagreement about them.

Hats of to you for your efforts.Keep up the drive against this so
called sick moral police.

Mr. Mohamed, first you should raise your voice against Muslims -Talibans who deny woman any rights. Recently in Mumbai, muslim women beat young muslim girl because she had tattoo of some religious text. What was that?
RE:
Mohamed wrote :
This blog”pink chaddis” is a very brave attempt by some women who think they can counter the group which is forcibly implementing some moral norms on women. I disagree that Indian women can go to that level of modernisation or adopt western culture to counter this small fanatic group. As Prena rightly said what is good for western culture or say US and Canada maynot be good or morally acceptable to our culture or our women.
With due regards to women who still prefer to revolt and do what they feel is right.

I read the other articles as well posted by Prerna. This article too is not focusing the real problem but that you can leave SHAME and drink alcohol standing with aunts and uncles. Prerna what you do in US doesn’t mean is validate in India. You must know the culture of India. I found you have always targeted Hindu groups or those groups who oppose any act done against Hinduism. Anyway as i have read your other articles too, i doubt if you are the same person behind the name ‘Prerna’. I have contacted cyber crime deparment to check on if you are really what you have mentioned or a person funded by some islamic organisation.

@ Gagan — I want to make this crystal clear to everyone, because there have been a few comments made suggesting that I have some hidden agenda:

1. I was born and raised a Hindu. I am what most would consider atheist or “spiritual but not religious”, but if I were to affiliate myself with any religion, it would be Hinduism. I am not Muslim and do not really know anything about that religion, other than the fact that fanatic Muslims repress their women and do not allow music listening. Given that music is one of the core parts of my life, and that I am obviously a very liberal woman, this is frightening to me. In any case, I should not need to bad-mouth other religions to prove that I do not have a hidden agenda. Grow up people!!

2. I believe in religious tolerance and freedom. All religions have good and bad in them, and all were created as a result of the same evolutionary pressures. I think it is really pathetic and shameful that people fight in the name of God. Drinking and sex are not shameful, oppressing and killing people in the name of God is.

3. My name is Prerna Gupta. You can find me on facebook and linkedin too. I am a real, live human being, and I am simply trying to get people to talk about issues, wake up and fight pigheaded conservatism. Unfortunately, in India the majority of pigheaded conservatives are also Hindu fundamentalists, so this comes across as if I am targeting a particular religion. But I am not. If I were Pakistani, then I’m sure I would be speaking out against Muslim fundamentalists.

dear Prerna

It is no body’s business where and which way the girls want to enjoy life. I am a teetotaler. therefore, I do not support drinking by anyone- male or female. this is because I feel that alcohal is not good for health. but I am no body to advise anyone-even my close friends and relatives- on this matter.

regards
sanjai

i don’t know you know Telugu or not ..one proverb is there that ” if you do friendship six months with a person your ideologies and habits etc., will exchange each others” so this culture is also in the same way when India begins to develop technologically the culture is also adopted from western countries … they are showing to interest to learn yoga, classical dances and to research on mythological events and about our culture … same time our people adopted their fast culture and also this pub culture and drinking and smoking etc., i am not condemning this but crossing the limits is always bells the danger ……we can enjoy without hurting anybody and without crossing the limits and without attracting some others with our dress culture(avoid this bikinis and chaddis) ..the problem is coming he/she trying to attract each other to satisfy their ego … i am suggesting all .. you can go pubs atleast with jeans and t-shirts to avoid these type of comments from others …Finally i can say “Pigs doesn”t know their stink ” as a human beings with all kind of senses just we have to check ourselves is we are in that stinky category or not thats it….

@Muralidhar – i’m confused…are you saying that drinking is not part of Indian culture? Do you really think that men in India haven’t been drinking for centuries? Or, are you saying that it is part of our “noble” Indian culture to oppress women and treat them unequally? Seems to me that you think I am not fit to be an Indian woman b/c I think women should have equal rights as men. Bravo. And who are you to say that I am not fit to be Indian? I can say the same about you.

@Deven — the pink chaddi movement is a peaceful protest and expression of free speech. last i checked, both of these things were democratic rights. there is a pretty big difference between a peaceful protest and murder, and i’m a bit surprised that you don’t see that difference.

HI,
PRERNA GUPTA,I`M SACHIN 28YRS FROM MUMBAI. IT FEELS ME PROUD TO MAIL U THIS MESSAGE .U R THE BRAVE LADY TO PROTEST SUCH IDIOTIC MOVEMENT OF ANTI- VALENTINE DAY & ANTI- PUB CULTURE.THOUGH I NEVER BEING TO PUB,BUT THAT DOESN`T MEAN THAT I DON`T LIKE IT, I MEAN TO SAY IS PUB CULTURE IS NOT WESTERN CULTURE IT IS IN INDIA SINCE THOUSAND YEARS, REMEMBER THERE R MUDHUSHAYAS IN PERIODS OR RAMAYANA & MAHABHARATA IN ENGLISH WE CALL PUBS.ABOUT VALENTINE DAY IF WE ARE AGAINST VALENTINE DAY THEN WE ARE AGAINST LORD KRISHNA, HE TAUGHT US TO LOVE EACH OTHER IN ANY FORM THAT WE WANT BUT NOT TO HURT ANYONE. HE ALSO FOLLOWD THE SAME THING & GAVE PREACHINGS IN BHAGWAT GEETA.
I`M PROUD OF U & UR GESTURE.
I WISH U ALL THE BEST .

Dear Muralidhar,
Mind it, when hooligan and goondaism supercedes nationalism then it is termed as Extremism.

Secondly, we have no authority to say that whether he/she is not an Indian or doesn’t fit, you are again proving that you want an INDIAN who acts according to your will. Is that what Indian constitution preaches? Then I belive about 65% of the Indian population is not Indian coz they are not acting as you wishes.

I strongly favors to preserve our Indian culture but not by force or by degrading women.

@Prerna Gupta
I’m afraid you are with a dirty mentality, drinking alcohol is bad for health and u say it is good. A responsible citizen never drinks those things that are poisonous to health, like alcohol, cocktail ,cocaine, heroine etc. You know alcohol deforms the brain and the physique of a person which in turn destroys the third worlds, like india. The above deformation destroys the power to produce the economic production , this will lead to the massacre of india. So, if you love your country, do not drink.
And as for clothes, they should not be animal-oriented. You know humans are animals and by proper humanism they keep their animal behaviours destroyed, why?, because animal-orientation would never advance the human civilizations, so people study humanism. By wearing dangerous clothes people provokes the animal within other people , the animal comes to the skin, destroys the humane properties….and if these destructions often happen you become self-centered, you start to think black persons subhuman, handicap people worthless, social court-laws unimportant, i.e you will become a emotionless and non-social animal-like human who does not love India

@Prerna Gupta
And listen up, freedom does not mean “whatever i like i will do”
Freedom to do good and responsible deeds is freedom.

@Reekdeb – why don’t you tell that to Ram Sene.

@Nadeem – thank you for your balanced perspective and for bringing up smoking, which is much more addictive and harmful for most people than alcohol. I’d also like to point out that caffeine is a very powerful and addictive substance.

What about eating fatty and sugary foods? Are people who use too much ghee in their cooking and become fat and get heart attacks and diabetes and create burden on the health care system to be condemned too? Or just the women who might have a drink once a month and do no harm to anyone?

Hi,

Women have all the right like men no? Men will use to go to prostiutes. Indian women can do like this? Ofcourse this is already there in foreign countries. Imitate the good one. Not going pubs, waring chaddies, celebrating Valentine’s Days.

prerna … if your idelogies and ideas are ideal why dont you suggest your way of life to others … somany in this universe realising like that only …. if you hate about alchol its wrong in all the time ..then why you are asking that for a woman its not harmful once in a month like that… wrong is wrong at anytime …so first collect the opinions whats the wrongs and rights …am i right or not?

I don’t know your age so I can not decide why you are thinking like this. A true lover don’t need the day for celebration because he wants to enjoy the every moment with them. A true lover can’t wait a specific date to say his feelings. A valentine day is totally bogus if you go with the morale or objects what it may be… Can you tell us will you wait to your lover he will present his emotions at this particular day… My Dear if you want to avoid such propoganda don’t go for pink chhadi or Lahanga. It will beneficial for those who wants the publicity. You teach your peers or daughters or sons the real lover dont want propoganda other wise you will forget these songs…” Kahin pe nigahein khin pe nishana.., Dil ki jirah phol do kuch na bolo…, Hamein tumse pyar kitana…etc.

Think for those days when you will become Mummy or Dadi maan…. Do you like that your daughter is receiving 12 roses and decide one for one month….

After having read the blog and the responses, it is quite clear, that opinions differ from person to person. There is no way anyone can or could force someone from drinking or smoking. But at the same tme one should respect the surrounding society laws and behave accordingly. If one gets drunk in a Pub and creates nusiance where other people in the surrounding areas do not like it, then it is a breach of the society decorum. If youngsters get influenced by some other people to go astray, it is their parents who are to be blamed and not the people around. VIOLENCE DOES NOT GET ANY POSITIVE RESULTS. The more you force somebody from doing or not doing something, the more stubborn attitude is reflected. LIQUOR PROHIBITION has been tried all over the world and miserably failed. People who want to obtain find different ways and means to get what one desires. If we call ourselves democratic and civilized we should keep your eyes open to everything that happens around, but absorb the good and turn a blind eye to the evil. AS THE LAW OF THE UNIVERSE also differentiates between HEAVEN & HELL. Black Pink or “NO” chaddis does not make any sense.

Dear Muhammad Junaid Khan,
I disagree with you a little bit, whatever or how matter good is the motive but to achieve that motive choosing the course of violence is absolutely unacceptable. Tell me, Is this right to feed a hungry child you have a right to rob or kill a restaurant owner. Noway. Your humble purpose will be deceived the moment you choose to opt violence.
As I siad earlier consuming alcohol is not at all a good idea but we can’t force anybody to adopt my way of life. Western culture – revealing clothes sometimes invites evil thinking and actions but again is this a fault of wearing western dresses or a fault of a person commiting crime.

Most of us, including myself, is against dancing and drinking in the pub. We consider this as a bad habbit and object fiercely but what about drinking of alcohol men & women in private parties and in nuptial ceremonies? If drinking is harmful it should be condemned outright and everywhere without any exceptions. Why restricted to pubs? I don’t believe in hypocracy.

I would be grateful if Nadeem khan doesnt reply to my blog with you cannot force this etc. These are words of great kuran and I do not intend to hear any dispute on that.

we indians seem to loose our way and almost always end up discussing everything under the sun without reaching any conclusion, interesting things is there is one group that is always complaining, another is busy bad mouthing, and a third that believes in expressing their opinion and leaving it at that which is why not much comes out of all this. looks like all of us have failed somewhere and therefore continue to put forward bits and pieces in an incoherent manner, as far as the real issue is concerned – beating up girls in absolutely wrong, no matter what someone is doing you cannot assault that person even if that person is doing something illegal , even then you have to report to police and not attack the person yourself. as far as pub culture is concerned india as a society is going through various transitions which like any other transition will need to be moderated to varying degrees. all issues should be kept separate from religion and politics even if there might be people who might deliberately try to give it a different direction. lets learn to put what we think in a coherent manner and not gibberish. one more thing a person should do what he or she is comfortable doing. if you are following a culture at home where drinking in front of parents seems disrespectful then you do not need to feel bad about not drinking, and if you parents mind it then you should avoid such things, dress sense , views about sexuality, all have to be understood keeping in mind what each one of us believes in and not because someone else follows something, but that is one big issue, we as individuals have grown up in a society where everybody has to sacrifice so much as compared to individuals in the west that we feel threatened everytime something like this happens. more on this later
gaurav – gmcancer@gmail.com

Hi Prerna,

Thats great..we have a contradictory view on this subject. It does not matter what should be the colour of chaddies, pink or white but to condemn the acts of sri rama sene , do u think this is the right way of protesting. Rather i suggest people should be united and fight for the justice and the culprits should be behind the bar.

I do agree that in India we have a pre dominanant male society where everything is Ok foe the boys but girls are restricted to be within limits.But the scenario is changing now a days and girls are not equalling the boys but they are even considered higher in many areas.

pigheaded conservatism and directionless modernism are both dangerous to the society…………….

y u join pink chaddi group coz u r not verjin tht y u joined n ya i belliv in ram sena coz they r our cultural sever i also knw tht they all r inspir by a political party.. i dont want to name tht party…n ya one more point of wiev thy doing well…,
jo ho raha hai vo hone do kattrta jaruri hai ager aap hindu hai to aap isme bhagidari badaho kyo ki aap ka member banke hi kuch ho saktahai jab hamare bharat mai hajaaro tarh ki boliya boli jati hai kahi dharm hai kisi na kisi tarh se hum aaps mai ek hote huhe bhi dur hai ..lekin yaro ram ke nam se ek ho rahe hai ..apne cultural se ek ho rahe hai to hone do na kya harj hai or han…aap ye socho ki aap ek maa hai or aapki beti pub mai jati hai aap roj to permition do ge nahi….or pub ek rasta hai nark ka jaha aapko milega nasha or sex kya aap isiliye pub life chahte ho…dhire dhire pub fir bar fir theka fir ek naya group banahoge vo daru ke khilaf hoga…fir difration fir jindgi ek hi jagah aah ke rukh jahegi ……END OF LIFE

to yaro ye sab rajnity hai inke chakkar mai mat pado…do ur work…aap jante ho ki chahina aage kyo hai kyo ki vo aapne cultur ko aaj bhi pakde rakha hai or vo bhi majbuti se….aage badna or uchi soch rakhni hai to ese chutiya bato pe dhyan mat do aapne dimag se or jin se hum vakehi ek ho sakte hai un bato ko aage badane mai sahyog karo…JAI SREE RAM..JAI HINDU<<<>

I PREFER PINK FLOWERS THAN THE VULGAR AND SHAMEFUL “PINK CHADDHI MOVEMENT ” .

Hi Prerna,

I neither support the Sene conservatism nor do I support the equally vulgar Pink Chaddi movement . If we had to protest , there could have been better ways like sending these guys “Flowers ” which spread the fragrance of love and peace on this beautiful festival of love .
Prerna , taking beautiful things like the “Valentines Day ” from the West is a beautiful thing that brings joy and happiness in our lives . But wearing skimpy dresses and alcohol are just not the necessary ingredients for this celebration . After all our we Indians are the most cultured community of the world . We respect elders , dont drink or smoke before them and teach the same to our children .
These ladies who started the “Pink Chaddhi “movement must have had a very unfortunate childhood with the parents who themselves were more involved in Parties and dressing up , rather than cuddling their sweet children and responsibly bringing them up with values .

So dear , do party but do not forget the great Indian Values and tradition . Dont teach your children to be as stubborn and irresponsible as you are ……give them gud values , give education ………allow them to go to pubs , but dont encourage the youth of today to drink alcohol …….asit is very injurious to health .

SO C’MON LADIES , LET US GIVE OUR YOUTH THE FREEDOM OF THOT , BUT ALSO TEACH THEM TO B A GUD HUMAN BEING AND LEAD A HEALTHY AND HAPPY LIVES WITHOUT BEING A PREY TO ALCOHOL BORN DISEASES AND PREMATURE SEX ……WHICH LEADS TO MORE HEALTH TROUBLES . LETS GIVE OUR YOUTH A BETTER TOMORROW AND QUALITY LIFE !

JAI HIND

Lotza luv

Nidhi

Wow, atleast everyone has an opinion on the pink chaddi movement and kudos to nisha for starting an active discussion all over the internet on that. If nothing else, democracy involves freedom of opinion to a great extent. Nidhi, you comment started out well. but why the personal attack on the organizers of the movement? Trying amateur psychology, are we?

As for India being the most cultured country in the world, that view would be highly subjective and is not more than a personal opnion in itself. If I remember correctly women are stoned to death in certain countries because their culture believes that is the right thing to do. And of course they believe that their family values are the most strong. Their arguments are no different from the ones thrown around in these comments either.

Alcohol born diseases? Health troubles due to premature sex? You are stretching it. Obesity is a bigger upcoming problem. And yes I agree with you, allow them to go to pubs but don’t encourage them to drink. But once they are adults, let them go. You did a good job teaching them in their childhood didn’t you? Let them live your own life instead of saying that is ok for some scoundrels to come and push them around for wearing a dress they think makes them look nice.

And oh, this a blog. The author writes what she wants. You could start your own too. Its free.

Dear Ms Gupta, In response to your request for support on the facebook group, Pink Chaddis, you have our full support.

2. Protesting peacefully by sending right-wing chaddiwalas some pink panties to shame them is NOT the same as going and bashing women. Anybody here who thinks that needs to get their head examined.
One is a form of peaceful protest and the other is violence and intimidation.

Hi prerna,
i liked your blog and saw that you were trying to put an issue forward and have a healthy discussinon but by reading the comments i felt, like always it went into a negative stream and blame game on how, why howmuch .. who …

You dont get demotivated…
there are very less ppl who have and opinion and have the guts to voice it out.. i appreciate it…

i fully agree with nidhi verma .. very gud explanation

you may write on this subject but it will be fruitless against the mentality of such radicals.

Dear Prerna,
Useless talk.You are comparing two different culture on single base.You are not favoring the women liberation,you are supporting pub culture,valentine etc.If your America is that much free than why the ratio of rape incedent is more than in india.Madam if you are supporting the women liberation than talk with sence.Chaddi & Baniyan ius not the measurement of women liberation.Whosoever favour this in india,Ask them how many people allow their daughter to do it.You will get your answer.This time i m not impressed with your blog.My rating is fully nonsence.If you see our family culture in india,you will get that woman is the most powerful piller of our family.

Hey Prerna and all you wonderful people!!
This campaign was a peaceful protest for a well-intended cause i.e to express solidarity and unity to all those young girls who were beaten up by the SRS goons.Nobody has the right to force their ideologies on anyone else!!The members of the Ram Sene have broken the law and deserve severe punishment for the same.We must respect one another as HUMANS please!!

Dear David

1) It is great not greate.

2. Those who lives outside India has no clue what daily life is there. I worked recently few years there, I enjoyed every moment(despite no electricity lots of time). Amamzing. Hot Samosa in Rs 5 with green chuttney Aha Aha. Yes safety is an issue in certain parts of India.

3) Those who has not stayed long enough in India criticise it. Go and work there, you will love it.

4) Legal system needs improvement, it is very poor.but IT IS NOT EASY TO HANDLE 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE. HANDLING 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE AND KEEPING THEM ON SAME PLATEFORM, I CONGRATULATE TO “INDIANS WHO HAS KEPT THE SYSTEM WORKING”.

@nidhi verma:
U truely represnt what India needs today from ts people
I salute you.
May more and more people get “Prerna” from you

Prerna, Isn’t it really surprising. One isolated incident is brought into such a limelight, shown by the media, as if the world had come to an end for the girls/ ladies. And our ladies too from all over the country jump into the fray with what all non sense, sending a chaddi (not the usual which many ladies and gents wears at home as a casual dress but an underwear), a wear which is always concealed in some other wears like pants, skirts, etc. Have we really reached a stage where we have suddenly become so bold to come out and make chaddi as a rally point.
Prerna, am sure we haven’t yet reached the pint where people would someday come into the streets to protest in naked condition, as sometimes happens in the west. The simple reason we all know for this is because we have our own values and culture. The way the Ram sene men attacked the pub, similar is the way the chaddis were sent, neither is good. Protest in some decent manner, and not only to create sensation. Am sure none of the all the chaddi sender’s cant dare to walk out into the streets wearing those chaddis or even roam wearing only those in front of the parents, growing kids etc. So i would request to the so called bold ones, who feels that their existence is being threatened, that its not the end of the world, so please avoid such Chaddi sending gimmicks.

From the daily occurence around me all I could say is that I dont feel that India is a ‘noble country ‘ anymore..If it were,there woulnt be so much injustice/violence around us with no legal system to prevent it ..
I think a it should be up to an individual wthethr he /should do this or that …;;so long as it doesnt hurt others..Who are athers to interfere in their life????

Dear Prerna

I think you are very away from your religion and like modern society. The system you believe is philophical system, philosphical system brings anxiety, sorrow, frustration and panic among the people. I do not know which country do you live and which do you belong, but I only know that you have adopted the nasty life. Be religious, as this practice will keep you calm and in peace, whisky, bar and pubs etc.. provide temporary satisfaction but if you want real satisfaction of mind and heart then please follow your religion whatsoever strictly.

If you want more discussion on this topic then let me know, I will try to put you on right path of life and that is religious part.

Khan

Bull shit.
Well pub goin is ur private affair and I am no moral/legal/constitutional authority to comment on your activities.
But when you proudly proclaim that you drink in front of your elders without any shame then anyone(including me) will assume just two things…
1)Your elders would have objected but you cared a damn shit for it.So it simply means that you do not have respect for your elders.
2)You have not completely understood that INDIAN cultural values and its ethos.

Well now coming to your point of wearing skimpy dress for party so you simply incite the (erotic)feelings of a “PERFECT MALE” and that leads to all unwanted complications.
May be you are OK with that too!
And for all those ladies who are in the forefront of the useless unwanted “pink chaddi” movement I just have one Question -
Will you all permit your daughters/sisters party all night in a pub in the most exposing skimpy dresses
Freedom is to do what you want to and what you like to do but that freedom also has a limit and I suppose you girls very well know your limits.
Oops, I mistakenly referred to youu all as ladies/girls.I am really at a loss as you how/what you all should be referred to.

With Best Regards,
Naveen Kumar S.Patil
The happiest of people don’t necessarily have the best of everything;
They just make the most of everything that comes their way.

Dear Prerna,
As far as celebrating valentine day or wearing revealing outfits etc go I feel that its matter of personal choice.Nevertheless in my opinion all these things are quite inappropriate.I certainly dont advocate assaulting people just to make them agree to my point of view.

In my course of work I have interacted with several Americans(from USA).Without exception I have found them to have great value system.They have great civic sense,they can do surprisingly large number of things with their own hands(no naukars/chakars),they a very straight forward and most important they value a person for what he is.

Our USA wannabes like to celeberate valentine days ,wear skimpy outfits like them but certainly dont want to subscribe to American value system with same enthusiaism.Some months back Mid-day had published photo of Bipasha Basu(an icon of glamour & western values ) throwing litter (including un-eaten food) bang in the middle of the road.Most of the US wannabes will treat other less priviledged individuals like dirt. (They run- over pavement dwellers with their cars after their visits to pubs & discos and flee from the scene.).An hindi saying sums up things Langoti pehene se koi pehalwan nahi hota.(best left un translated).
By the way Prerna answer this question honestly would you or wont you wear a cocktail dress to say a wedding reception & a saree to a pub/disco & why ?.

Regards
Mangesh.

DEAR SISTER,

HOW CAN A WOMEN EXHIBIT HER “PRIVACY” OR “BEAUTY” TO THE PUBLIC, AND WHY SHOULD THE PUBLIC ENJOY A WOMEN’S PRIVACY AND BEAUTY FREELY?

RGDS.

BASHEER

thats a nice one prena

Dear Prerna,

I hv gone through what Ms Sagarika wants to tell us. If a female is working shoulder to shoulder with the males in every sphere of activity, then how do pronounce her different from males. Biologically she might hv been dependent on males for procreation, but now that is no more there. She can become a mother without a male.
When we are evoluting in all spheres of activity then there should be no if n but for any sex.Gone are the days males understand their position in the so called society. Today we not only hv female prostitute but male prostitute also. So the entire dynamics of life is undergoing drastic changes, which please accept or u will be left behind to repent later.
If females commit mistakes they will suffer n learn from their mistakes as the normal male does. Give her a fair chance to take risks as u call it n also learn.In time to come she will openly challenge the male chauvinist. Partly it is already started happening.
So look after u n ur family n let others look after themselves, or else get a license from the public that u are appointed as gaurdian of the society

regards. keep it up
Viren

Dear Prerna Gupta,

I read your blog. This is correct that woman should be freedoms in democracy.
Ok can i as k u Alchol is good for body,society. I donot know what message we will give to our next generation.
I am totally against of Sri Ram Sena and like any fundamentalist.But not agree to take drink.

If Drink is good for society than you will never object for free sex free life there is no basic value of life like wild life.

I am not agree your blog.

PPSharma

Beware of combining the pink chaddi with a skimpy cocktail dress at the bar; together they make a stronger brew then anything your bar-buddies will consume. So if you wish to keep the pink polka dots visable the next morning –make the chaddi invisable.

Miss prerna…dont forget ur ethics …always remeber ur ethics…dont follow western countries..be indian live inidian..and make others to live indian ethics…

Hi
Internet is just for Awareness.. but one thing i always was reminded of ‘ Die for your country, Respect a Lady no matter what she is or does’ My point here is Prerna, i don’t know much about Delhi cuz i don’t like the news.. its just killing.. Rape’s .. Robberies. on the news too much bull crap for me.. now i have a question to you,myself n all the others with a smile on their faces reading this blog…. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ? Just read this blog n forget it as if it never happened or take some action.. all i know is i don’t know how many supporters you have but i know i stand alone in this fight.. its time to get out country freedom again from the goon’s n show people that we are not just Hindu,Muslims,christians but we are INDIANS.

If you do not like any thing there is right in our constitution to oppose it.
This is equally proporational to both sides.
This Chaddi movement is the correct mode of protest without voilence.
But I am having another thought.
In india there are several Festivals and Occasions to express our Moods of love
We don’t require any Day to selebrate.
In western countries do’nt have it.

and so they are searching occasions to selebrate.

You are enjoing your life any way.
but respect towards our elders we must keep.
will you allow your childrens in front of you, what you are doing now?

every thin must have limit.

Lowlekar

Nice work Prerna, I feel instead of wasting time an energy in protest of Valentine’s Day and Pub culture it is our youth who have to think about dealing with this issue. How many of us have seen a true Indian village. How many people think about the lack of facilities in these remotest part of India. Why not save a day’s expense in a pub for them??Maybe people can get food for weeks at the cost of your drink. So a word of advise to Ram Sene members and Pink Cahadi movement please do not waste time on trival issue instead do something for the upliftment of our bretheren.

Dear Ms. Gupta,

This is great topic and i could not resist but to reply :

Even i am against such extremisim but why this pink chaddi operation only now? why not when sheila dixit said the girls should refrain going out late in night? why not when everytime a girl or women harrassed or eveteasing takes place? Are not this response is only from so called pub going or broad minded girl?

I would certainly agree with ms. Sagarika ghosh partially, and like to remind you to check out the security level and advancement in L.A. , Newyork etc. before comparing them to mumbai, delhi, bangalore and other indian cities. FOR ME THIS IS MORE OF A CONCERN OF SECURITY AND SAFETY. Instead of Ram sena if a group of other illicit mindset starts misbehaving then r u secure enough. NO. So wearing skimpy clothes or celebrating V-day is fine if you are secured and protected. And for that this kind of movements are to be everytime an atrocity takes place against women and internal security lapses. These are to be free from specific class or event which are for cheap publicity. For your information out of 100 cases filed under anti dowry law only 05 are genuine, rest all are to harrass their in-laws.

So please if those girls includes (ms. Renuka Chowdhary and her daughter who are secured above normal girls.)are listening to you tell them to donate the money spent on sending pink chaddi to the social organisation genuinely working for women welfare.

With best wishes for genuine progress for women empowerment.

I may not agree with every sentence in your post Prerna, but i will defend your right to say it and do things your way -as long as it does not impede anybody else in doing what they wanna do. While a comparision with the US and Canada cultures will not hold much water due to our local sensitivities and culture, yet the reprehensible “goondaism” let loose by the so called saffron Brigade is just so out of place and deserves to be put down. We need to move ahead and we can do that as proud Indians but there are enough Muthaliks who still live in the cave age. More strength for the pink chaddis and may your tribe grow !!

@Madhu .. i agree with you but the problem is someof has the same desires internally but they are not exposing depnding upon thier circumstences …. everyone is thinking that “If we want to change the sytem ..the system will change you” … whenever all of like this come to one unity and rise the voice ..its quiet possible to do anything … this kind of events stoped after our independence ..now everyone is quiet busy and literally running with their life … except few social activists ….

I think one must think about the equality among the woman and man.
there is nothing less but both are same to run the society.if man has freedon than woman too.in secular country we treat the all religions same why not woman.?
if we change our thinking than there would not be any one to oppose any one.let us spreaad love to huminity by following equalness and sameness and without prejudice accept one another as the same vessels of God.creating for the each other for procreation and enjoyment.Hail Him.

One Wrong can not be undone by another wrong. I do not favour the Protest with Pink or White Chaddies. This is some what indecent. However I strongly favour the ” Female Freedom and their Empowerment . They are equally talented and hardworking. Rather they are more responsible in General than their male counter part. Let us not allow and create Taliban among Hindus . The so called Protector of Hindu Religion or Culture perhaps donot know even the meaning of Culture . What a non sense !!! where a Boy is allowed to go in PUB not a Female. If PUB is Bad it should be Bad for Both. Again who has given them the Authority to impose their way of thinking on other members of the society. Every Adult whether Male or Female has constitutional Right to adopt the Way of Life one wants to Lead . Better Accpet the Change !!! Better Accpet the New Era !!! The state should act unbiased as per Law without consideration of Petty vote bank politics and we all should ignore these Bad Caretaker of Hindu Culture .Also the Media should not play much tune which infact serves their purpose .

Two wrongs do not make it right!

Do not forget that bottom line of any civilization is dignity.

John Stuart Mill gave impetus to Women’s Liberation in 1920’s with a Noble ideal of equality for Women.

How on earth can anyone send chaddis?
They are out to burn it? Thus no target is achieved, instead dignity has suffered.

I hope knee jerk reactions by some educated Women do not become a benchmark for other youngsters to follow.
The seeds for altruistic equality has been sowed and it takes lot of time for it to mature and come to a sustainable mode.

I would say that enabled women should work towards raising those who are oppressed rather than fight no-gooders like rama sene or any such shoddy group.

Law and enforcement agencies will act although slowly but the pressure should be on them.

Newspaper headlines do not bring freedom to anyone. Let us not over subscribe to the hype of the media. Each one of us is struggling and let that be a reminder to tread honorably having drawn resources and inspiration from our elders and parents alike.

I agree!
VAndana Sharma

i am proud to be an Indian and my culture.There should not be misused of their freedom.We should always proud and respect of our Indian culture.

Dear Prerna,
Cheers for your support to the pink chaddi movement, getting to the root cause of the problem will only help to maintain some law & order in the metros. I think education & learning at all levels can only eleminate Talibilasation of our Indian society. We as the citizens should do some work to educate people around us so that they don’t fall prey to those who only want to devide the society in the name of religion.
Regards.
Jatinder Saini.

Ms. Prerna Gupta,

It is very interesting to read your ideas. Suddenly I thought what would happen you were the prime minster of India. As a man, I can agree with all what you are doing. But there remains a question – what is your origin ? You are doing everying a western is doing. You are doing everything an Indian women permitted to or otherwise do. Here, Westerner do things that suits their culture because they are westerners. Indians try to do what
westerners are doing, because they find it challenging and adventurous and sometimes
enjoyable.
Accordingly, what one should or not do depends upon his or her state of mind. A man/women whose mind is thinking in a healthy way, he or she will do only what suits
her or what she thinks good for him or her. Occasionally, people do indulge in unusual activities just for the heck of it.
One should have their own individuality in doing things. I believe in it. There comes
the strength of an individual his or her mind is under control.

Anyway, You make an interesting reading. Would welcome more of your ideas and
views. By the way I do not mind the colour of chaddies pink or white – does not really matter.

Best regards,

Devanand Nair

Protest is meant to protect women values or something else…
It is shameless that women of India, who has been the icon of worship, has come out to show their panties and chaddies… If they think this is innovative, time is not long, when they will themselves come without chaddies on street to protest any damn thing…

Panty protest is an abuse to Mother India… I do not say what Sri Raam Sena did was right… But what has been done through this Panty through some western Indian women is even more dangerous….

Tell me.. Now I can talk about your chaddi… you like pink chaddi… great.. I start gifting you the same… what is there for respect towards you… All I can see now is sex and abuse entertained by women itself…. is this women empowerment?

Why the hell should any new trend be attributed to the West(ern)? Why that undue credit? You mean, Easterners are incapable of innovative cultural trends?

Two wrongs do not make it right!

Do not forget that bottom line of any civilization is dignity.

John Stuart Mill gave impetus to Women’s Liberation in 1920’s with a Noble ideal of equality for Women.

How on earth can anyone send chaddis?
They are out to burn it? Thus no target is achieved, instead dignity has suffered.

I hope knee jerk reactions by some educated Women do not become a benchmark for other youngsters to follow.
The seeds for altruistic equality has been sowed and it takes lot of time for it to mature and come to a sustainable mode.

I would say that enabled women should work towards raising those who are oppressed rather than fight no-gooders like rama sene or any such shoddy group.

Law and enforcement agencies will act although slowly but the pressure should be on them.

Newspaper headlines do not bring freedom to anyone. Let us not over subscribe to the hype of the media. Each one of us is struggling and let that be a reminder to tread honorably having drawn resources and inspiration from our elders and parents alike.

Hi Prerna
That’s a great blog site you have. Well written, and views are well argued.
all the best!

regards

if u think its a problem why u do it?
or
if u think its ok , so why u think about it?
take a chill bill……….

but allways think about ur self ,what is good 4 u and don’t disturb others.
thats call humanity

Prerana Gupta,

In the name of modernisation people at large feel that the descipline in public life is not necessary. There is hardly any Laxman Rekha between Decadence and Decency. Morality has no value. You talk of drinking in front of Uncle and Aunties.People may even plead for open intercourse in public. What a tragedy? On the one hand we are cautious about our physical health and on the other hand we advocate about all vices that gives you physical satisfaction. This is decadence which is injurious to both personal as well as social life and social health. Adoption of Perverted mentality is dangerous.It will give out to social crimes. I donot know where it will lead to.

If you know history, Hitler could trounce France within 24 hours because of perverted life style of French. They had lost physical capacity to fight back.

So please restrain your selves and do some thing positive for upliftment of the society.

Thanks.

Regds

R N Gandhi

Doesn’t make any sense to make big noise. so many such a bigger incidents are happening in India. Why only this incident is too much of publicity and making noise all this is politically motivated. I don’t think so its going to help for girls community.

Hello madam,
What r u going to do? U people r helping the political people those who r playing as usual dirty political game in this issue. Do u think this incident is that much big that u can protest like this?. I completely disagree with this comment towards Sri Ram sen those who really trying to save indian culture. I agree that the way they protest was really wrong. I too condemd that one. But There is good intension behing them and that attack.
Remember one thing that India is having its identity in the world becuaze of the valuable culture. Everyone likes indian culture in the world. But R u going people trying spoil that culture? and helping those people r going to spiol? u r doing protest against them those who r going to save our culture. If u r really concern about our culture and our girls and women think logically against which one u have to protest , which one not.
U r talking abt chaddis and telling that u go to pub, u will drink frankly infront of Uncles and aunties.Don’t u have shame to tell like this?Before that u drink infront of ur parents those who have teach about culture. I can judge now how much culture u r having.

People r not fool, we now very well wts going on in our country, we now which one to protest in which way, which one to support, which one not to protest. We r well concern abt our girls ,women n their rights.

There r many issues in india that harmfull in future for us , our girls n women. Protest that one and don’t go for these type stupid things to do, don’t even think abt that one. We will not support these type of stupid things. Hope u can understand this one.

everything should be done with a sub consious keeping in mind that we do not hurt others feelings and our own dignity and self respect.Yes one should wear what dress they feel comfortable with and behave in public as a example inviting respect and dignity.

one should use freedom and equality and at the same time should not overstep.

DRINKING, DANCING , WEARING A DRESS OF YOUR CHOICE IS ONE’S OWN FREEDOM. NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO CONTROL THOSE THINGS AND CANNOT BE A DICTORSHIP AND DEMANDING IT TO HAPPEN AS PER THEIR OWN THINKINGS….

IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THIS SO CALLED NETHA’S – GAURDIANS OF LAW YOU WILL FIND THEIR CHILDREN STUDY IN ENGLISH MEDIUM AND SETTLE IN FOREGION LAND.

Prernaji,

While going through the contents, just coming in my mind, recent remark of one of leading person of our nation. He commented that culture of society saved us out of heavy fianancial crisis all over world even USA.

So I think the freedom is needed thing but same time it may be containing our culture since old timings.

Thanks

Davis
Bhopal

Why we feel proud to adopt the western culture…basically this is the inferiority complex.

Hai Prerna,
Really, you have written with very good concept in your mind. I am totaly becom your fan. You are so inteligent & graceful in your life. I wanted to see you.kindly send some more hot information for me.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Many thanks & kind regards. I remain

Dr. V.K.Sharma

Good job prerna, I appreciate the thoughts and support freedom for
girls, they can wear any thing they like, there should be no stopping
from sick mind men.

I condemn the actions of Ram Sena for their interfering/intruding attitude and actions. But as a pub-hopper(as you have mentioned), can I ask you –
Can you get into a pub/disco in a saree or salwaar suit ? You can try this. If you have the freedom to go yo pubs and wear anything you like. Why not Indian wears ?

Check this out http://aajtak.itgo.in/index.php?option=com_registration&opt=section&exist=yes&type=1&task=videopage&sectionid=15&secid=0&assignedvideoid=7667

If you don’t believe the above (aajtak news) try yourself someday in any pub you like. Is freedom of expression only for citizens wearing western clothings ?

Why do are you “alaaping your raag” that pubs are emancipation symbols for woman. I condemn the Ram Sena for their deeds and you are equally shameless in advocating pubs as freedom symbols. I do not support your campaign as well.

The bottomline is the more the Indian people get westernized ( I don’t have any issues with that), the bigger market the western chains will have in India. Thats the only point, rest all freedom, independence of expression, etc are all rubbish things just for talks.

Try to think about things from a 360 degree angle views…

Also, you can abuse me by branding me as anything you like, but take resort to reasoning/logic while saying or doing something.

Wishes
Rajeev Shahi

Prerna,

I don’t understand what’s ur problem is !!!?????!!!!. Afterall ours is democratic — secular country. U can do what ever you would like to do. I believe that ur are meture enough to decide urself — what is right and what’s not.

Finally I can say one thing— when you are in rome be a roman. Interpret this saying in your won way.

Sasidhar

Always support women and their emancipation. Truly, the fairer sex is better in all senses.

Hi Prerna,
Is it the scale of mordenasation to drink alchohal with your parents or open sex? I think you May be agree if women drink and do open sex, they are modern. Is these things need to develop a country? and what you think about women fredom? I think you may not aware to rich culture of India, and your kind information now western countries also following our culture. In my knowledge indian women have all rights to live a respectfull life. In our culture we worship to Nari (women) This is only your and some so called modern women thoughts. I would like request to do not destroy the image of indian women for the sake of modernisation. nobody stops you whatever you want to do, do it….I am sure one day you defenately realised that this was wrong, but till than its late….think over it.

This is not only the issue of women or men or childs or others – freedom, culture, and sex. MANY GLOBAL FORCES WORKING TO DESTROY INDIA IN ALL POSSIBLE WAYS…..SOCIAL, CULTURAL, GENDERWISE, EDUCATION, FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY AND ALSO TRY TO CREAT FEAR IN OUR MIND. These things only the part of it, your and others (same thinkers) thinking and behaviour shaped by these forces very prominantly. Save India…. Save world. I am sure we will do it.

It is high time things should be done, to let women do what they want to do in there life. I do support these kind of cause, which helps in bringing equality among men and women. If you have anything to says please do upload on creates.ca. There is space available for young people to come forward and speak for the change. http://www.creates.ca

My fair view is

1) Dress as per occassion

2) Drink in moderation. Drinks were and are part of India since ages. We can’t ignore them, excessive liquor drinking has destryed thousands of families. Look around your neighbourhood.

3) India is different than rest of world

I am against exploitation of poor and needy girl by the hands of riches. It has and is a major problem in INDIA.

Prerna is doing Amazing Job. Let us give her our support to bring people together to discuss even if they don’t agree.

DOES ANY ONE HAVE IDEA ABOUT “GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS AND ITS IMPECT ON FAMILIES FRIENDS AND RELATIONSHIPS”, WHY NOT SOME ONE WRITE AN DECENT ARTICLE HERE.

Dear Aussie,

we all have ideas about problems that were created by men. Who has been responsible for war, who for law and who for domination over women?
Men, right?
Women are just the nicer gender, why don´t you listen to them instead of supporting male ego or hipocritical aspects?
Even the crisis was caused by greedy men. Here we go ….

Regards,
Naddu

Dear Ma’am,

I have read your blog(s) on various issues, specially the one regarding the Mangalore pub incident. I would like to know as to where we, as India’s youth, stand today. Are we for losing our values & principles for materialistic gains or are we to empower those who have been constantly repressed & denied rights. I commend the ‘Pink Chaddi’ movement & I certainly admire this novel way of protesting, but amid all this are the Indian youth going to lose all sense of dignity and continue to “move forward”? I am not saying that things like V-Day, Pubbing & discoing be banned but I feel that everyday I feel that we are losing sense of who we are and where we come from in this race to be “cool” & be “hot”. A lot of the people i meet today have no idea of what self respect is or what it means to be an Indian. Organizations like Sri Ram Sena or Bal Tahckeray’s MNS are domestic terrorists but in order to make them realize that we are a democratic country, we are losing perspective of what needs to be preserved and what does not need to preserved. I hope that you discuss about this particular topic in your next blog.

Sincerely,
RSY

Dear all,
though i put my best effort,its was difficult to go through all replies. but what has come out from the few i want to share. here most of all already have taken a stand either its so called supporters of great hindu culture, or our so called new modern and liberal face of India. our pink chaddi brigade.

but have you noticed both are nurtering their thoughts on the same ground that we are on the right side of the discussion and who do not agree with us are choti budhhi or say lacking in knowledge.
And ths is the point where conforntation comes in picture. the moment we think that we are wise enough to judge our action ormour as well as their point of view, their is no place to understnd a person who opposes your view. not trying to be so complicated i would like to explain me here with two hypothetical situation.

1. for my chaddi brigade. —– if i send any of you girl, aunties porn movies, pic, is or forget about so offending things anything what you do not like. is it a democratic way. no ma’am surely not………………….if you are travelling with me and i will just open dobenier and starts reading the pages in a way that it revels you you the glims of superior and bolder flash than you posses. surely you will take it as a offence and will complain. in the same. and still if you can,t do all this coz way to send somebody pink chadidis is not at all democratic or say civilized way to protest. the civilized way is go to court, go by the law, or elect better people to amend the law, to enforce the law……………. and if you are failing in your right way to protest then believe me the true meaning of democracy is still that what majority wants should happen. so if our politician are still wining . you are A REFORMIST AND BE READY TO FACE THE ANGER.

To the safforn brigade. the protecterrs of our culture : the women beaters: first of all you gyes did the worst but the irony is none of you or maximum of you are involved in bloggig difficult to each upto you. but surey i wuld try to reach to your supporters.

first by beating the girls in the country whr it has been said::::::: yatra narayntu poojyante tatra ramnte devata(whr e worship women god lives thr). so you did against you r culture. and again with media. means just for thesake of publicity……………. very bad.

Dear Prerna, I agree with your desire to get “liberated”-its common to all animal and human species, but that definition in India is really dangerous. You and many like you can easily protect themselves, but what about the remaining 99% girls. Every long surviving civilizations in the world had some sort of restriction toward the women. I don’t agree with the abuses, but morality in women defines the morality in our society, since they tame the men and the children. Also I have been in New York since 12+ years and have seen the night clubs and pubs. Our society and those of Middle east till Turkey/Greece simply cannot expect to see women in such low public display. I have colleagues from all these countries and all of us love freedom but controlled. Even men shouldn’t be out-of-control in pubs/bars, since our society has a defined culture and anything that breaks that will be viciously opposed. We love our women and would like to have family with them, but cannot see them as cheap bar girls.
For those who seek independent life, there isn’t any restriction anywhere. You can pretty much go into any bar or private cooler and enjoy the life you seek, but any public pubs should have some restriction for the masses. So I partly agree with the Ram Sene thinkings. I have 2 daughters and like most American girls, they have a lot of freedom, but wouldn’t expect them to goto the bard and pubs at night and get drunk. No No… Everything is good in controlled environment. Hope i am able to drive my 2 cents.
-Sunny

I read your views and agree partly to your views. however, how many in india understand freedom and can use it judiciously without affecting the social fabric, tradition and culture of indian system and society. what these monkeys did in mangalore is something irrational, uncivilised and unacceptable. you should know that our political systems and politicians are quite beaurocratic, nothing will happen to those who participated in violence. whatever movement is initiated, it will have no impact on law makers or law implementars. the kind of liberty you have in mind for female world, comparing to western world will take long time. Yet there is considerable change in urban society where the population amount to 20-25%, the balance being a rural, it will take more time due to poor developement, illiteracy and poverty. Barring all the western nation and comparing to rest of the asian and south east asian country, we have good freedom and liberty for the female world. u c changes come gradually, and i have seen these. this will depend upon how many diwalis you have seen.

Hi Prerna,

Yes i do agree with you… one one hand we are talking of men/women equality in the society and on one hand such people’s mindset is still of stonage…

If this is the case of shriram sena people than they should knock down all our old temples & carvings in the Caves, specially from khajuraho (which our fathers &forefathers have made to teach us and our next generation to come… )… It is our country who wrote KAMSUTRA and world is following/practising/enjoying that “Assannas” and now we are talking of this shit…

If this Shriram Sena People have guts and they really want to do something for safty of women, than they should go to all Prostitute Addas / and help to rehabilitate all the Prostitutes either retired or active in sex-trade… they should go to such places and rehabilitate /adopt one child each of such rea / of such prostitutes… They should catch all those people who are into Girls trafficing… They shold go to remote places of naxalite area / Kashmir Ghati where helpless girls are waiting for someboby loke Shriram Sena activists to realease them either from terrirists or from sex starving old peoples…

If going to Pub is wrong thing /unethical.. then they should go to Court/Government to ban such outlets.. (Though they are not unethical and runs with all reqired permissions by government.)

They should convenience the Politicians to withdraw “RIGHT TO VOTE” at the age of eighteen year… If we got right to vote and choose those F**King Five hundred and odd people for five years to seat on our head and screw our happiness/life, than we know what we are doing… what is wrong and what is not…

and first and formost thing.. who are this people to interfer in our life.. restricting in my freedom which is our constitution has permitted to us??? To become moral police and judge what is bad and what is good.. what we should do & what not?… what we should wear?.. drink?… go?????

They should bann the X rated movies also??? Majority of all these “C” & “X” grade movies are made in south indian states…

Rest in the next mail of yours…
Prerna, do wright to me… nice to know your views…

MANISH

go ahead thatz the nice movement u people startde against
RAM sena these are the big curses of our society,go ahead where r u this time

i agree with you dear

VIJAY PITRE

Hello Dear All . Veryy nice Thinking. love it…..

Prerna,

Whatever you doing or supporting to any systems because your life is your’s as of now and I am dam sure you might change your opinion and vision at once when you will be of someone and you will die hard for someone.In human being most of the day to day activities are inherent and also totally depends that in which kind of environment you are born & brought up.Wherever you are open to go just go with fickle minded but there must not be vulgarity.Rest is for next……………….

Prerna,
very well said……..it requires courage, conviction to do things you do……my congratulations to you and women like you who are beautiful for the courage and conviction you have.

it is for ppl like you we are free from shackles of age old taboos and blah blah…….

refreshing to hear your thoughts……do let know whenever you are in Delhi…..would be a pleasure interacting with you.

cheers,
Kinha

Hi,

I don’t think the same as the way you think. I am very sorry to say this and if I hurt your feelings. Some people will be reacting in a stubborn manner to some of the the westernized culture. We can have some fun but following other culture is not good always. ‘Ghode ka kaam ghode ko hi karna chahiye aur Gadha ka kaam Gadha ko’. Nahi to ‘Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka’.

Dont forget our culture and customs. Without knowing the perfect reason behind our rich culture and customs, some of our ancestors tried to force the things on their children. Just remember some of the things. Ustad Jakir Ussain claimed fame at international scene with ‘Tabla’ recently. And people are coming from various parts of the globe and accepting our rich culture and customs. As others are advanced than us, they are just influencing us. We, in search of money, going there, earning money and bringing some s**t to India and thinking that people are forcing us to live our lives as they want.

Anyways, everyone has got their own opinion.

Dear Prema
I am happy that you are taking trouble to spread this subject.
But you must note the conception you are spreading is wrong, you are misguiding less educated and vulnerable youngsters.
Please dont spread your conception that “I have been going out to pubs since I was a teenager, and I have no qualms about wearing a skimpy cocktail dress when I’m in the party mood. I do believe that women should be free to dress as they please, drink alcohol, celebrate Valentine’s Day, and enjoy any and all freedoms that are afforded to us as citizens of a democratic society. I dress the same at clubs in Delhi and Mumbai as I do in New York or LA, and I will drink in front of aunts and uncles without …..”

You dont have to go pub or drink alcohol or etc…just to show that it is allowed in a democratic country. That is not the definition of being in a democratic country.

U R Sick Prerna,
I m sure u r not at all virgin…..how many time u take overdose of alchohal…..drug….???? and I also sure there is no party of impotents… how many time you hooked up…..I am worried about that person who will marry you…..I m not feel shame to say you BITCH…..

You do not know the social science…..we have vary much different society….in upper class its may the status symbol but in middle and poor class….alchohal drinking is big cause of murder, rape and violence with women…..

Some women who take drinks in pubs in nights ….you can find them to agitating against domestic women violence and alchohal drinking. And I am very much sure about that there is no any gurl PRERNA…..this campaign run by anti Indian elements…….we have try to understand.

Ladies completely agree with pink chaddi movement or whatever, status given to everyone to tkae their own initiatives or think what is good/bad for them. It is very clear from the article as to whom is this piece of work directed against. Instead of “pighead” you could have used “saffron” headed as I see no one is scared to say so.

Anyways I live in a country where there are lots of restrictions of every form compared to India and on the other hand they are liberal in their ideas to bring about changes, you can say indirectly due to International pressure and influence. Though slowly they are forgetting their roots in certian areas but still hang on to the old ropes of culture in some areas.

There should definitely be equality for men and women, all the major speakers talk this shit in speechec but not too many practice in the whole world and that includes westerners as well, but to what extent and who will decide the limitations. WATCH THIS POINT CLOSELY.

It is WE or there should be someone who decides this point. This is where we all think or take support of our scriptures, any religious scripture, the laws laid down by the ONLY ONE who is managing the whole show at all times. Check your scriptures and we’ll talk more.

Take the Japanese, Chinese, Tamilians, Russians, Arabs, Germans and many more who are proud of their culture and language. Speaking english and wearing deep cut or body revealing outfits, going to discos, drinking and dancing, this was their at all times in the whole world. If we take India for instance, mujraa houses or kothas, places were rich people go to listen to music or an artist, drink and throw money or whatever, we all are aware of this. The style has be fashioned according to the needs of the society. Apart form Mujraa houses their is an option of dance bars where you have more sophisticated place to sit. SAME WINE DIFFERENT PRESENTATION. More option, if u want to drink, hangout with friends, dance, basically be yourslef then you have discos and lot more options.

THE ULTIMATE “Q” – IS THIS OUR CULTURE OR IS IT ALLOWED IN OUR SCRIPTURES OR ARE WE FOLLOWING OR APING SOMEONE ELSE AND IF WE ARE APING SOMEONE ELSE’S CULTURE THEN IS IT A GOOD ONE OR A BAD ONE……………….. Qs ARE ENDLESS. Everyone should ponder on these Qs who added their consent by writing few lines and the person who created this MOVEMENT.

All this while I was talking of self education which will help us to take better actions in the society, thats what is democracy. Freedom of movement and bringing out free thoughts

Regards,

Omer Bakran

@aussie …how many in this forum he/she ready to go pubs with traditional dresses ( atleast jeans and t-shirts) … i think it is not wrong to go pub with saree also( talking about indian pubs only) … thenonly i will support this pub culture strongly ……

Ms.Prena Its nice to know your views about any kind of extremism.I have read n seen on t.v the Ram sena hooligans ,how they treated the women in the pub in Manglore and other parts of india.I think that we should come out to stop this menace of extremism which is spreading world wide .thanks for sharing ur views with me .
bye n take care.

Hi Prerna,

I will like to post a few comments on reading the contents of the trailing mail.

First of all, before expressing my thoughts, let me say this. I respect your individuality & clarify that I do not wish to restrict your right to “Do what you want”.

Secondly, I am against violence of any kind for addressing any issue. Be it the MNS actions in Mumbai or Ram Sene in Mangalore.

However, the Mangalore incident has to be analysed on a different platform too. My point will be more clear if you have seen cartain photographs of the infamous Pune rev party, on the net.

At Pune & Mangalore, a lot of students from outside the state take their respective education. These boys & girls are at a vulnerable age where there are lot of attarctions & it is easy to fall prey to them. Particularly so because there is no one around to restrict the activities. Boys in particular, take advantage of such situations & the girls are victimised. At times, looks like, even the girls want it. Some may not have thought of it, but, the so called feeling of “Independence” overpowers them & they get into such acts. As you have said, you do not mind all this. So there must be many like minded girls like you who get into it. But, unlike you, they do not realise the limits & suffer, as it happened in Mangalore.

I am sure, parents of these girls must be happy although they may not say so in public. This is not what they were expecting from them. I am refering to the families of those whose parents, uncles & aunts are not as good as yours.

And surely, the “Pink Chaddi” campaign was not in good taste. To express her “Libaration” a woman need not tell the world that she wears a chaddi, pink or whatever. This was the height of obscenity.

Where are we going? What ideals are we going to create for the next generation? Everyone can not become Shobha de whose children read the erotic & vulger books written by their very own mother.

At this point, let us admit a fact. This is not a justification ( as I am a man ) but a fact. Nature has given certain liberties to men. To be precise, they do not get pregnant. But, girls always carry that fear. Probably, that’s why, girls are naturally shy unlike boys. This is a virtue that parents will like to see in their daughters. If a girl behaves otherwise, it’s surely a cause of worry for the parents & I think that all girls must give it the due recognition. Of course, same with the boys also. This becomes more important when the parents allow the children to study away from home & do not mind spending the required money for the same in the hope of a good future for the child.

If you see the photographs of the rave party or for that matter, the loose behaviour of the college going boys & girls at multiplexes & malls in Mumbai & Delhi, you feel ashamed ( they never feel so ). Is this the only thing in lfe? I appreciate the fact that, at a particular age, everyone has that urge. But, it is necessary to make them undrstand the difference between ” Want” & “Need”.( This can be well explianed by the case of Clinton & Monica Lewis. In one line, ” Clinton wanted it & Monica needed it ).

I am not a regular writer. Still I have tried to convey what I feel. I reiterate that everyone has the right to live life the way he / she wants. But, as we are part of a society, we should give some regard to the moral values.

That’s all.

Reagrds
Sunil

ya i agree with you… but i never seen anyone with skimpy cocktail dress yet…

GOOD ONE PRERNA.CHEERS.

Dear Ankur,
It’s worth reading your response, as you said sometimes responses are encouraging. Responses reflects ones mindset and background of a person, it’s vice versa.
No Dear, I didn’t derive the facts from the Hollywood or Bollywood movies, I related the culture of the West & US which it is experiencing.
You commented “The gora angrej doesn’t discriminate and Hindus and Pakistanis cannot see each other. Such is the hostility.” I don’t want to live in fool’s paradise by commenting and believing this. From 1857 to 1946 who ruled India – your “gora angrej” and what they did it was all evident in the history. Gora angrej didn’t “discriminate”? What a joke man.

Differentiating between good and bad is not acting as a cultural police my friend. Using abusive and foul language is a not “degree” for Indians, maybe for Americans and Westeners, though I am very good at using proper “adjectives” BUT I always use for deserving and at proper time. Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea.

I don’t advocate or accept what is or was part of our tradition if it is not good. I can’t force anybody to accept my way of life but pointing good and bad things is awareness. If the Westners love and respect to elders & parents so much they why there are millions of old age homes in US?
I also wish US to longlive BUT to live & let live in a decent manner. I think there is a difference in this, isn’t it?
Waiting for your response. Take good care of yourself.

Teja is right

Mr.Sunil Vaidya,
You wrote woderful….i support to your view…..please continue to write in this fouram….these type of campaign can diviate our new generation….we can show the right way and this is our responsibility.

pranjal

Dear Nadeem and Ankur

I agree 100% with Nadeem.

IN RECENT YEARS I HAVE SEEN THE DOWNFALL OF CULTURAL VALUES IN INDIA BEYOND IMMIGANINATION. PLEASE PROVE WRONG.

Dear All,
I strogly oppose for using foul/unparliamentary language and against violence. Freedom is not dictating your terms and conditions on others. We can’t enforce our lifestyle on others by force. I do not favor nudity and propoagte for consuming liquor, cigarettes or drugs either in front of parents or not.

Maybe, I mean maybe, more than half people participating in this forum might drink alcohol but for the sake of arguement we comment it is bad, this is hypocracy. Charity begins at home. We say DRIKING is bad but we never come forward to prevent it in a peaceful manner.
We all are intoxicated, maybe Prerna by Budweiser and some of us by arrogance, hatered, enmity, violence and what not. We have to do analysis of ourselves to eradicate all these evils.

I don´t appreciate vulgar expressions and discriminating outbursts in blogs the way Ankur articulated himself in a recent comment. I don´t know why people are so frustrated, they have certainly a more personal problem. Mind your words don´t hurt people´s sentiments. Point of views differ and give food for thought.
I miss clear points what special kind of traditions are really no more there. What exactly got lost at all? You talk about loss of cultural values, but isn´t it more a matter of individual character than a matter of tradition? You find love, care, respect and tolerance in all societies, the extremes you may recognise in the media or newspapers don´t represent the average or majority. This information is policy and influences people´s minds.
The future is not a result of choices among alternative paths offered by the present, but a place that is created–created first in the mind and will, created next in activity. The future is not some place we are going to, but one we are creating. The paths are not to be found, but made, and the activity of making them, changes both the maker and the destination.

Naddu

Dear Prerna,
I appreciate your view. I believe one should have his/her own identity. However, all do not think same way. Remember 60-70 % of our population still live in rural India and do not have exposure of world you are talking about. Hence I feel one need to be ensitive to others sentiments.
The people of India do understand motive of groups you are talking about,
wishes.

aapke woman freedum ka vichhar achha he .me bhi sri ram sena ki harkat ka virodh karta hu..lekin wo esa kyu kar rahe he ye bhi hame sochna chahiye…jin pubs per ye hua waha drugs and sex reckat apna jaal bichha rahe he.hamare yuva unke banaye dal dal me dub rahe he….shri ram sena ko unka virodh kanooni tarike se karna chahiye tha.na ki kanoon ko hath me lekar…hame apni aazadi ke sath apne sanskaar aur sanskriti evam samaj me fail rahe pradushan ka bhi dhyan rakhana chahiye……

prerna dear,
as a male who has seen much of women of the world, i agree with all you say. BUT,
1. doesnt freedom of the sexes mean wife swapping, free sex, living in and living with………..do you allow?
..2. havent you read in the puranas that all women are wily foxes and all men are randy Dogs ?…….
.3. doesnt the very lift the mini to show off the pink panty chaddi mean that the wearer actually wants to show all within but fears the society mores of the day?..
4. doesnt the pole dance symbolise the play with the male rod?…….
.5. Havent you read that Dance is Sex set to music and rhythm beat?……
.6. arent most of the mudraas vulgar erotigenous?
7. where then do YOU Prerna Gupta put the line? the g-string?
8. what is westernised? have you seen enuf of india to say india has no bold sex fronts?
………………………………………….uncle doc joj………….india

I am amazed to read the comments where people refer men as “kutta” (dog) and women as “haddi” (bone). Or they are referring Ram Sena as kutta, I am really puzzled by this.
We are emphasising on implementing India values, culture and tradition and then using obscene & vulgar language to decribe it, isn’t this funny? What they are trying to project by violence and using foul language? Is the Ram Sena or any other group in India is responsible for protecting Indian values by creating anarchy? Then what is role of police and courts of India if the goondalism takes the law in hand?

You have a right to lead your life the way you want but you can’t force anybody to “obey” you according to your will. I also object for indecency but in a proper manner and in a peaceful means.

hi people,

is it a discussion about identity or a discussion about liberation?
Who of you drinks Coke, Sprite, or visits Mc Donald? Are they typical Indian brands? Coke and Sprite aren´t healthy at all, fast food leads to many problems as we know, what do you want to express by consuming all those unhealthy products, your independence or modern life-style?
Why don´t you launch Lassi/fruit juice bars with original indian drinks instead of moaning about westernization? Make it better is the philosophy of the time! Is it more comfortable to complain than creating yourself what you find is best for you all?

Demand determines supply!

Greetings,
Naddu

regarding the court notice summoned to Renuka Choudhary? Dont u think its unfair to put a case against her, just because she tried to show the then real world of terror in Mangalore…. Lets share this and see how many of us supports her statement.

Dear Nadeem,
How are you? Sorry for the delay in response, as i was a little busy.
The best thing that happened to India was the coming of the British. The British gave us the railway system, the canal system, the telegraph, modern education system, police force and a system of law and order. The laid the foundations of the modern Indian state. Though the British failed to bring an industrial revolution on the lines of Britain in India.
Compare this to the Mughal rule that preceeded the British rule. Nadeem you would be surprised to know that the annual revenue of Aurangzed from taxing the poor Indian population was worth around $2 billion dollars! And can u tell me what public good did Aurangzeb did. And the same for any other mughal ruler. Now where did Aurangzeb, Shahjahan etc spend these exorbitant revenues. Well they lived lavish lifestyles, maintained lavish courts bought mounds of expensive diamonds and jewellery. And built ugly architectures like the Red Fort. Now the British looted the wealth from these mughal rulers. And not from the ordinary Indian population. Therefore the Kohinoor now forms the centrepiece of the queen. and rightly so. Long live the British.
As far as old age homes in US are concerned, that is more of an economic response than a social or cultural one. Nadeem suppose you and your wife are both working in Gurgaon in a multinational company .Where you work for 10 to 7.And your old retired parents live in Lucknow. They have lived all their whole life in Lucknow. Now it is difficult for them to move to Gurgaon. So after a certain age they have to move to an old age home. Or you force your wife to leave her job and take care of your parents. And who are you to force a women to do something like that for people who are not even her biological parents. So you see why you have five star old-age homes in US.
And you didn’t the social welfare pension for all the retired people in the US. And the healthcare. Just see how the whole US society takes care of its old by giving them economic security. Unlike in India and Pakistan.
I think that you are closet fundamentalist. This is the problem with most of the Islamic youth and liberals. They are closet fundamentals. They regard women as objects, worse than animals. And they support all atrocities in the name of beautiful sounding words like culture and sharia. Take care. God Bless You. Love Ankur

Ankur tere jaise do char chodu……paisa lekar logon ko behka nahi sakte……bheje main aaya……teri biwi kya fultu…..talli rehti hai…..blog writing chodkar….use sambhal….OK

Hi Prerna

Your chaddi is as awesome as your thoughts are

Live and let others live as they would prefer to

Raj Rimal

Hi prerna,
what happend dare is different issue. we also oppose the same.i feel what dey does is very shameless. we also supports u.jealously someone does dis.

Yes, I fully support freedom. There should e freedom for all. I do not about pink chaddi or whatever. But I don’t support drinkink and smoking that too for women. Women are mother. How come mothers be in an intoxicated state even for a moment. Freedom if it mean freedom for drinking or smoking in front of elders, I don’t want. I would rather oppose that. I oppose ram sena but at the same time I oppose getting westernize too. We have a rich cultural heritage and freedome is our buzzword alongwith feralessness. Do go through the Upanishads and they all talk about freedom as well as fearlessness. Or have a look at “From Colambo to Almora” by Swami Vivekananda, the point will be more clear.

Prerna

I agree with all your views.Only problem which arises of this freedom given to girls is that some think that having Sex before marriage is also a part of freedom.Most of them end up aborting innocent lives or dump the baby in a adoption centre and then you can imagine the price which the child has to pay because his / her mother’s so called freedom.

So I agree to all your views except that the girl should not cross the Laxman Rekha of having sex before marriage or at least have safe sex.

Madhukar

Hi Ankur,
U r SICk, ur language showing this….this is not your fault…. you cant understand culture, I am sure your gene not transformed as per Indian culture, I think u got my point…..and yes Hindi is my primary language and I proud to speaking Hindi, may be you know better English…it doesn’t mean you are educated. I am writing here only for the treatment of sick people. You never read….no no you never see Ramayan this I can say with 100% confidence. You talking about that index….that is wrong…these are designed specially for developing countries. You can refer this site http://www.mapsofindia.com/culture/indian-women.html…..one side you told about 130 rank of the condition of women….another side you told “my mother lived the same lifestyle” its not digestive….I am not against alcohol…..i am against only ‘women drinking amongst lots of dunked men’ you can go for vote on this issue…..if all women are agree I don’t have any prob. I am sure 80% women never support pub. In India this is not only industry to provide employment. India is no 1 milk producer in the world. You know drinking water will be the most dangerous problem in future across the world…you have to support that campaign also with your alcohol campaign. Alcohol industries want to target women to capture the 40% remaining market in India, after that what……Teens ….Kids…..

Some bloggers are doing that business to influence the peoples towards required GOAL of the Industry….I knows this very well.

Hi NIDHI, I appriciate your thoughts…..keep writing.

FREEDOME DOESNOT MEANS FREE TO DO WHAT U WANT?

Balance is key………bra burning did nothing for the American women and nor will pink chaddis. Thinking contemporary and acting hip are two different things!. and most importantly, sauce for the goose may not be sauce for the gander….adapt your thoughts to the Indian milieu.!!
and mind you , i am a liberal thinker.!

Women should have their own standards. In fact, they did … before civilization came along and before marriage was created: A woman gave birth alone, raised her child alone, had sole control over herself and her children, was not brainwashed into separating from her child to go out and make money. And … she walked in the forest naked without any “chaddi”, ok? … Perhaps, women were more liberated then …

Look, liberation should be in your mind, not clothes. Living a wild life (going to pubs, wearing pink chaddis, etc.) will NOT liberate you. If you want to do things out of the norm, they should be unselfish and meaningful. For example, would you ever adopt an orphan baby EVEN IF you are fertile? That would shock some people, especially Indians, don’t you think?

I fully support the values presented by Jayant. jaywant.pandya@gmail.com

What Ram sena did was wrong but what you advocate is also not right. Drinking alcohol, prefering skimpy dress going to pub is not good culture.

I oppose it. Liberalism does not mean to do what is against civilization. All over world, the human community has adopted some rules and regulation by going through this process. Initially, man was not wearing anything. Then, they started to wear dress. Initially there was liberty of sex, but then due to problem of free sex, all over the world, human community adopted marriage system.

But now, on name of liberty, human community is going towards animal world. But animals have also some norms. They do not prefer sex anytime. They do only in mating period. So…we should think.on name of liberalism, on name of pub culture, when are we going .

Shrikant Barve
9403175973

Chaddis are good for wonam…..!but in public its a nuisance …!so dont wear pink chaddis…..!

hi Prerna
your concept about women liberation and modernization is fantastic and awesome.
you drink alcohol in front of elders, go to pub, wear skimpy outfits, etc etc., and by doing so you have proved yourself as most liberal woman, CONGRATS!
i must say that by just doing above mentioned things like drinking, wearing skimpy outfits and going to pub, all girls/women should empowered and liberalized themselves, very simple.
I THINK PRERNA YOUR NAME SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR NOBEL PRIZE FOR EMANCIPATION OF WOMEN.
you deserve nothing less than that.
all the best and please keep writing about such very very important?! issues, like drinking alcohol, pub culture etc etc.
I THINK YOU ARE UNDERESTIMATING MODERN WOMAN’S BRAIN POWER.
bye.

@ Aussie
Dear Aussie
As far attack on Prerna’s personal life is concerned, in the first place, i don’t think. it’s an attack, it’s just a reaction of people to the statements made by Prerna about her PERSONAL life.
moment she chose to write about her personal life on PUBLIC forum like this, it no longer remains PERSONAL.
Every individual has a right to express his opinion, in any civilised society.I suppose.
Aussie, if PRERNA HAD THE GUTS TO WRITE THE TRUTH. then SHE SHOULD ALSO HAVE GUTS TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. i hope she has those guts.
Aussie you are writing that PRERNA is a “CEO” of a company, as if she is a GOD, consider everybody writing here as CEO of one company or the other, BEING A CEO OF ANY COMPANY DOES NOT VALIDATE ANY POINT OF ANYBODY.
in your entire message i only agree with you on one single point…that is WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE DIRTY LANGUAGE FOR HER.
Disclaimer:: “I NEVER MEET PRERNA AND AUSSIE, NOR I HAVE ANY PERSONAL OR PROFESSIONAL RELATIONS WITH THEM”.
thanks Aussie and bye.

Dear aussie, do not need to explain dirty launguage and dirty thaughts….its what you spread…same u will recieve…….

This forum is interesting. iv seen different cultures with different mentalities. much better if there’s unity in diversity. gudluck guyz!

Drinking is not good for anybody(Male/Female).
Some of Doctors tell you drinking in moderation is good for you. Don’t trust those jokers, who have sold their soul to the alcohol lobby.

prerna, feb to july all your thots and all their comments are very impressive, provoking, some rude, some assaulting, yet all promote the people expressing.# are you in a hurry to get noticed? go slow girl, and you WILL have your place !